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selah
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| Posted 11/28/2001 8:49 AM (GMT -6) |   | *If all sin is the same and our righteousness is as filthy rags, what is it that we correct, reprove,& admonish in love?
*Isn't it true that we (sinful as we are) should just live and let live?
*Why does Proverbs speak so much on the subject of correction & admonishing one another etc?
I'm confused now when to give it and when to get it. I SURE don't want to appear to be judging, picking at specks, or doing God's job.
thoughts?
selah
"Then He showed me the river whose waters give life, sparkling like crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb." Rev. 22:1
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pia†desideria
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| Posted 11/28/2001 9:50 AM (GMT -6) | | Romans 6. “But now that you have been freed from sin…the advantage you get is sanctification” (vs. 22). In Christ, we are dead to sin and alive to God, so why would we want to live as if sin was still our master when we can “walk in newness of life” instead (vs. 4)? The shift of allegiance from sin (death) to God (life) is the basis for correcting, reproving, and admonishing brothers and sisters in Christ.
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The glory of God is the human being fully alive § Irenaeus
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Modes of Thought
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| Posted 11/28/2001 11:03 AM (GMT -6) | | Great question. I think we can learn this best by example. Paul said these words and I think to the extent we are unable to speak them ourselves, we should recognize our task.
RSV 2 Cor. 5:16-6:10
From no on, therefore, we regard no one from a human point of view; even though we once regarded Christ from a human point of view, we regard him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. Working together with him, then, we entreat you not to accept the grace of God in vain. For he says, "At the acceptable time I have listened to you, and helped you on the day of salvation." Behold, now is the acceptable time; behold, now is the day of salvation. We put no obstacle in any one's way, so that no fault may be found with our ministry, but as servants of God we commend ourselves in every way: through great endurance, in afflictions, hardships, calamities, beatings, imprisonments, tumults, labors, watching, hunger; by purity, knowledge, forbearance, kindness, the Holy Spirit, genuine love, truthful speech, and the power of God; with the weapons of righteousness for the right hand and for the left; in honor and dishonor, in ill repute and good repute. We are treated as impostors, and yet are true; as unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and behold we live; as punished, and yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing everything. Our mouth is open to you, Corinthians; our heart is wide. You are not restricted by us, but you are restricted in your own affections. In return--I speak as to children--widen your hearts also.
This is not a very direct response, and for that I apologize, but it does seem that this is the sort of thing we should seek to imitate in our relationships with one another.
"Christianly understood, truth is obviously not to know the truth but to be the truth. Despite all modern philosophy, there is an infinite difference here..." SK | | Back to Top | | |
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selah
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| Posted 11/29/2001 1:05 AM (GMT -6) | | There are 2 friends in my life who DARE to reprove, admonish and correct me. I can't tell you how much those friendships mean. They are priceless. This is why I'm wondering about the "live and let live" mentality. There have been times in my life where I truly needed their perspective and sometimes sharp admonishment. They gave it.
I'm glad. They may have had planks in their eyes, but I did too!!
I understand the relationship piece, and wouldn't DARE to correct or admonish anyone who didn't invite me in. However, I am learning that speaking the truth in love is so valuable (while it may hurt at the time) it can prevent future, possibly greater pain, if the person is bold enough to do it.
I say all of this ONLY speaking about believers-those who are "dead to sin and alive in Christ".
selah
disclaimer: I know that no one is saying DON'T ever admonish. My post is about when to do so? (as Christians in relationship) And, couldn't we always say "hey man, look at the plank in your own eye!" if we don't like what they are saying?
"Then He showed me the river whose waters give life, sparkling like crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb." Rev. 22:1
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chance
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| Posted 11/29/2001 2:51 AM (GMT -6) | | Selah asked
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(I understand the "social consequences" may be more extreme in sexual sin, but why is this singled out here from all other sin? Are there different 'spiritual consequences' for "becoming one flesh" vs. wanting a VW? Or is all sin the same?)
OK. Here is all the convincing that you should need. Think of the big problems in the world today. Now ask yourself this question.
How many of these problems involve the abuse of sex to some degree or another?
To make all see,
chance
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selah
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| Posted 11/29/2001 12:34 PM (GMT -6) | | huh?
selah
"Then He showed me the river whose waters give life, sparkling like crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb." Rev. 22:1
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Springs
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| Posted 11/30/2001 8:16 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
selah
disclaimer: I know that no one is saying DON'T ever admonish. My post is about when to do so?
When spirit led, with a motivation of love, in the context of relationship. If we are in a close relationship with someone we, more than likely, are aware of the sin in their life, either through confession or obervation. God says to confess our sin to one another. They should admit it to us, and we should admit ours to them. It can't be conquered if it is hidden. Bring it into the light. Know that God loves us just as we are. And trust our friends to love us that way too.
I would speak up if they were trying to hide the sin from me, or if they recognized their sin, but were not struggling to overcome it.
Springs
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