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OrthodoxBerean
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   Posted 2/12/2002 8:20 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I just bought the book by Gregory Boyd "Satan and the problem if evil". I have started it and am very interested in it. (You have done a great job Dr. Boyd.)

I was wondering though if anyone would be interested in opening a thread about this book and going through this book discussing it along the way? If not that is fine, but I think that the concepts in this book would be magnified if talked about and discussed in a group setting. What do you all think? Are you interested? Let me know.

I might be the only one on these boards that has not read this book yet... if so I will have to talk with my (Oneness Apostolic) Wife about it...she really loved the title..hehe.

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trosie
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   Posted 2/13/2002 1:43 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
We have talked about discussing this book on this board and several people seem interested. Perhaps you can start the conversation out? For instance, what's your comments on chapter one?

I know that discussing this book chapter by chapter will personally help me get the most out of this book.

I look forward to what people have to say in response to each chapter in this book! I wonder if we might want to start up a new thread for each chapter? This way people can join in or add to preceeding chapters as we proceed ahead.

trosie







"Christians who excuse their own mediocrity with pious rationalizations seem guilty of not understanding the extent of God's call on their life." Author Unknown
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OrthodoxBerean
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   Posted 2/13/2002 7:26 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Chapter 1 The World at War

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We have talked about discussing this book on this board and several people seem interested. Perhaps you can start the conversation out? For instance, what's your comment on chapter one?


Well, first of all when I read chapter one I thought that it fit my eschatological stance very well. I am not sure if others would agree with this. I am post mill.

Anyway, in the very beginning Boyd says, "In sharp contrast to the New Testament, Satan plays a minor role in the Old Testament".

My thoughts are that although Satan is not exemplified in the Old Testament as he is in the New Testament I believe that his power was more influential in the Old Testament than it is in the New Testament.

I agree with Greg Bahnsen when he says, ""...the Messiah's advent effected a radical change in the status in Satan's status..." (Greg L. Bahnsen, Victory in Jesus: The bright hope of Postmillennialism pg 140)

I am in agreement though that we are at war.

I also love the quotes from the early church fathers.

Coming from a Calvinistic background automatically I started to ask about the war relative to God being all-powerful. It does seem as though God could wipe it all away with the blink of an eye. But, having a free will presupposition this does not become so difficult to understand.

Gregory Boyd has done an awesome job in this book.

Chapter one alone is filled with material that cannot go without comment or discussion.







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   Posted 2/13/2002 9:21 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey...thanks for getting us started. I'll jump in when my copy of the book arrives. Amazon is being slow!

Pax,
~E

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   Posted 2/13/2002 5:08 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have read and enjoyed the book (actually I was priviledged to read a manuscript version).

I do not have time to enter a discussion now, but I would be happy to contribut the review I wrote for a summer class.

Blessings,

Greg
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GregBoyd
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   Posted 2/13/2002 6:46 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the kudos Berean. Mind if I jump in now and then (but I want to be careful not to have the discussion revolve around my participation.) How about this format. Start a new thread with each chapter. How about One Chapter a week? And I deligate that Berean be the instigator of each new thread? All parties agree???

Now, on the eschatological point... I think the view DOES fit very well with a post-mill perpective. But I don't think it rules out an a -mill, and not really even a pre-mill.

I myself tend in an a-mill direction... I think. Alls I know is that the Kingdom has IN PRINCIPLE already come, and we are to work ceasely to see it manifested until it is perfectly manifested "on earth as it is in heaven."

Thanks for starting this up.

Greg

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GregBoyd
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   Posted 2/13/2002 6:47 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ortho-Berean, I think if you started a new thread right away and titled it something like Satan and the Problem of Evil Chapter I Discussion, you'd get more participants.

Doc

"Three is the magic number, oh yes it is, it's the Magic Number" - De La Soul
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fr.patmos
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   Posted 2/13/2002 6:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Doc

you're a good nut!!!

in Phoenix, it's a reasonable time
but you just keep
going
and going
and going ...

very good!

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writerdad
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   Posted 2/13/2002 7:24 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'll be popping in with my two cents...Doc, The "Nothingness" chapter was so thought provoking...I am still digesting it. And your chapter on prayer was so sobering...

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trosie
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   Posted 2/13/2002 7:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Doc:
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Ortho-Berean, I think if you started a new thread right away and titled it something like Satan and the Problem of Evil Chapter I Discussion, you'd get more participants.


I second that! Start a thread titled Satan and the Problem of Evil: Chapter 1 I am looking forward to the chapter by chapter discussions each week!

Miss E
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Hey...thanks for getting us started. I'll jump in when my copy of the book arrives. Amazon is being slow


I was wondering why you hadn't started conversing about the book yet. I hope you get your copy soon.

Thanks for starting this dialogue rolling OrthodoxBerean!

trosie

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Kyle Essary
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   Posted 2/14/2002 3:20 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'd like in on this, but being in Abilene Texas, I cant join until Amazon can get the book to me, hehe.

Kyle Essary
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trosie
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   Posted 2/14/2002 3:41 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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I'd like in on this, but being in Abilene Texas, I cant join until Amazon can get the book to me, hehe


Kyle, did you know that you can also get the book from Christus Victor and have it signed by the Doc I recommend you to look at the Christus Victor homepage if you didn't already know about this because this way you will get a signed copy

trosie

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Kyle Essary
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   Posted 2/14/2002 3:45 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Cool, thanks Trosie, I didn't even think about looking at the website, I just automatically order from Amazon. I'll do that.

Kyle Essary
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trosie
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   Posted 2/14/2002 3:57 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You're welcome, Kyle!

I look forward to getting into the discussion and to reading the comments that you all make about the various chapters...

Blessings,
trosie

"Christians who excuse their own mediocrity with pious rationalizations seem guilty of not understanding the extent of God's call on their life." Author Unknown
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OrthodoxBerean
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   Posted 2/14/2002 9:31 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:

Thanks for the kudos Berean. Mind if I jump in now and then (but I want to be careful not to have the discussion revolve around my participation.)[/quote}

That would be wonderful. I think you jumping would be great especially for clarification.

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How about this format. Start a new thread with each chapter. How about One Chapter a week? And I deligate that Berean be the instigator of each new thread? All parties agree???


Done :-)

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Now, on the eschatological point... I think the view DOES fit very well with a post-mill perpective. But I don't think it rules out an a -mill, and not really even a pre-mill.


I think that it CAN fit well with the other views, but I see that this view is a champion of the post mill view. I am lovin' it.

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I myself tend in an a-mill direction... I think. Alls I know is that the Kingdom has IN PRINCIPLE already come, and we are to work ceasely to see it manifested until it is perfectly manifested "on earth as it is in heaven."


You said it we are working to see the will that is accomlpished in heaven done here on earth. That is totally a "post mill" view... are you sure you are amill? I alwasy thought of amil as a pessamistic view. That does not seem to go along well with your view of war.

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Thanks for starting this up.


No prob. I think that are to many great points in here that need to be in our natural thinking process. The best way to get the concepts of this book "in our heads" is to talk about it.

Greg

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