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OrthodoxBerean
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Posted 2/16/2002 1:03 PM (GMT -6)

How do these things work out practically?

How do you add to your faith virtue, virtue to knowldge, knowledge to temperance patience, patience to godliness, and godliness to brotherly kindness???

What did Peter (...(Pow)) mean when HE used these words? I am especially interested in the word "virtue". Was Paul thinking with a "western" mindset?

Any help with this verse would be appreciated.

Thanks

Questions should be more prominent than answers

Edited by - OrthodoxBerean on 02/17/2002 08:18:35 AM

Edited by - OrthodoxBerean on 02/17/2002 5:01:39 PM

PotOnWheel
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Posted 2/16/2002 6:01 PM (GMT -6)

Edited by - potonwheel on 02/17/2002 3:00:42 PM

OrthodoxBerean
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Posted 2/17/2002 3:19 AM (GMT -6)

quote:

OB -- Keeping with the spirit of "Questions should be more prominent than answers". . .

Let me also ask, as you have, what did 'PAUL' mean when he wrote 2 PETER 1:5-7.

(couldn't resist!)

Whatever do you mean ????

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Tom
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Posted 2/17/2002 3:34 AM (GMT -6)

I think PoW's pulling your leg. You asked what "Paul" meant when he wrote 2 "Peter." Paul wrote 2 Peter? Get it?

Tom

OrthodoxBerean
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Posted 2/17/2002 9:36 AM (GMT -6)

quote:

I think PoW's pulling your leg. You asked what "Paul" meant when he wrote 2 "Peter." Paul wrote 2 Peter? Get it?

Tom

Yes, I was being sarcastic. Also note my edit after his reply. ;-)

Btw..does anyone know what "Peter" means in this verse??

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Tom
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Posted 2/17/2002 8:14 PM (GMT -6)

Duuuuh.

Tom

Starkman
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Posted 2/18/2002 2:05 AM (GMT -6)

I wonder if a passage such as this one in Peter might only find its meaning defined in one who has and is living it; experience and knowledge and relationship of this caliber come in time. I know I'm trying desperately to come to more of a heart understanding of these passages myself.

Starkman

PotOnWheel
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Posted 2/18/2002 3:29 AM (GMT -6)

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2 Peter 1:5 For this very reason make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.

ramblings....

v.2 "May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord"

Knowledge of God, God showing us the light, these are ways of speaking that seem foreign to us, but integral to the more Eastern view of the Bible. Knowledge of rather than knowledge about.

BUT, what is the "reason" at the beginning of verse 5? Curious.

I've pulled out this as the reason (What do you all think?):

................Starkman's got it!.................

. . . the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, 4 by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature.

"the knowledge of him . . . by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises"

then

"through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature"

So, what we are to be pursuing is:

"escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion"

and

"become partakers of the divine nature"

So THAT is what is meant by being "born again."

Verse 8, then, says:

"For if these things are yours and abound, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."

And again "knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ" is mentioned. Knowledge "OF" or knowledge merely "about." I vote for the personal relationship.

MUCH is made in Orthodox literature about "escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion" and "becom[ing] partakers of the divine nature."

If anyone wants LINKs I can give them.

Edited by - potonwheel on 02/18/2002 08:38:10 AM

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