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PotOnWheel
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This is a line in the Apostle's Creed that has been hard for some Evangelicals to deal with.

There may be reasons.

(But first, do YOU know the Apostle's Creed?)

What does it mean for that Creed to say that Christ "Descended into HELL..."?
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oo oo I know it!

I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy
Ghost, Born of the Virgin Mary, Suffered under Pontius Pilate, Was crucified,
dead, and buried: He descended into hell; The third day he rose again from
the dead; He ascended into heaven, And sitteth on the right hand of God the
Father Almighty; From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost; The Holy Christian* Church, the Communion
of Saints; The forgiveness of sins; The Resurrection of the body, And the
Life everlasting. Amen.

It means he entered into being without God the Father or Holy Spirit.

Springs

"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." Ps. 19:1
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It seems as though he went to Hades (Sheol) at least.

Acts 2:31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

Maybe that means that he was not abandoned to it, as though he never went. But it sure seems like it means he was there.

Also, 1 Peter 3:19 seems to support this. But why would only the apostle Peter make mention of something so important?

Kyle Essary
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   Posted 3/29/2002 3:08 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Friday's young.

Lets see more!
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It seems as though he went to Hades (Sheol) at least.

Acts 2:31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

Maybe that means that he was not abandoned to it, as though he never went. But it sure seems like it means he was there.

Also, 1 Peter 3:19 seems to support this. But why would only the apostle Peter make mention of something so important?



Acts 2:31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.


I see two parts/issues in this verse. 1) To be "abandon[ed]" would be to be disowned and also to never raise from the dead. There is no contradiction to say that christ "descended" into hell, but also was not "abandoned."

In the Tenebrae service last night (combining Thursday's service and Friday's service in our suburban CRC church) it was mentioned.........



2) And, "nor did His flesh see corruption" is related to the verse in Psalms "I can see all my bones; which of course is related to that Christ's bones were not broken. That little military detail, that he had already died, is tied to somethign cosmically big. God got the details right. Christ did NOT decompose in the tomb -- not even just a little. Christ trampled death by his own death. Christ moritified the old corrupt (mortal and subject to corruption) flesh in his own flesh. Christ, the new man, Cried "it is finished -- and IT WAS.

Then Christ descended to hell to PREACH TO AND LEAD TO SAFETY A HOST OF CAPTIVES.

"Top side" the folks of Jerusalem witnessed lots of grave openeings, and many holy people came alive and walked around and talked to people.

Something was going on!!!

Then, Wunday morning, the Angel opened the door to an ALREADY empty tomb. The door was rolled back for the benefit of the witnesses. He who could walk through walls to show his site to Thomas, and also, increadably, eat something to prove that he was not just a ghost, did not need the door moved.

That's Sunday.

Its coming.

But we are only at Friday.

Lets keep digging the Scripture, thinking, discussing, remembering...

(the sisciples hid.)

Oh, this is only morning. Is He being flogged now?
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Rembrandt van Rijn
Christ Preaching (La petite Tombe), c. 1652





from "The Three Crosses", Rembrandt van Rijn







Edited by - PotOnWheel on 03/29/2002 08:47:09 AM
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In an article on the Apostle's Creed (and the Eph. passage), Doug Moo explores the history of the Creed and presents evidence for a version of the Creed without the "descent into hell" phrase. I'll try to find the article.

I'm aware of the arguments Doc presents in God at War supporting the belief that Christ descended into hell, but I'm still not entirely convinced of it.

Tom

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Whether one's theology embraces that Christ descended into hell and led captives to freedom make, IT SEEMS TO ME, lots of difference for every other practical area of theology. If He DID, then all is changed. If not, then I'm not sure.

The image below is of Christ's AUFERSTANDUNG ("up-standing" -- Resurrection.) O like the German because it can (the way I'm reading it) show that HE took up his life, just as he said that he could lay it down and take it up again.

(The CRC pastor last night said that it was only the Father who could raise him -- to which I disagree.)

In this icon, often called the "Harrowing of Hell", it is Adam and Eve who are being freed. And the OT Prophets and Saints look on--even as they looked forward before.


PASCHA - THE RESURRECTION OF OUR LORD
AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

Troparion

Christ is risen from the dead,
trampling down death by death,
and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!


Kontakion

Thou didst descend into the tombs, O Immortal,
Thou didst destroy the power of death
In victory didst Thou arise, O Christ God.
Proclaiming Rejoice, to the Myrrhbearing Women
Granting peace to Thine Apostles,
And bestowing Resurrection on the fallen.

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TGB / Tom
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In an article on the Apostle's Creed (and the Eph. passage), Doug Moo explores the history of the Creed and presents evidence for a version of the Creed without the "descent into hell" phrase. I'll try to find the article.

I'm aware of the arguments Doc presents in God at War supporting the belief that Christ descended into hell, but I'm still not entirely convinced of it.



Lets see that article, Tom!

As for me, I'm researching several different sides at the same time.

I'm headed for saying that he did NOT "descend into hell" in the fashion that John Calvin says -- as punishment, but that he entered Sheol for: "the recreation of Sheol--the spiritual condition of being dead--into the paradise of God." (Hopko on OCA site)

THIS DOES NOT FAIR WELL FOR JOHN CALVIN IN MY EYES.

Some text from Hopko's book on OCA.org:
quote:
Descending through the cross into Sheol -- that He might fill all things with Himself -- He loosed the pangs of death. He arose on the third day, having made for all flesh a path to the resurrection from the dead, since it was not possible for the Author of Life to be a victim of corruption.


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Jesus, the Destroyer of Death

The third and final aspect of the saving and redeeming action of Christp/b], therefore, is the deepest and most comprehensive. It is the destruction of death by Christ's own death. It is the transformation of death itself into an act of life. It is the recreation of Sheol -- the spiritual condition of being dead -- into the paradise of God. Thus, in and through the death of Jesus Christ, death is made to die.[b/] In Him, who is the Resurrection and the Life, man cannot die, but lives forever with God.

"Truly, truly I say to you, he who hears my word and believes in Him who sent me has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life" (Jn 5:24).

"I am the Resurrection and the Life! He who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die" (Jn 11:25-26).

"It is Christ Jesus who died, yes, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who indeed intercedes for us! Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [...] For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Rom 8:34-39).

"For in Him the whole fullness of divinity dwells bodily, and you have come to fullness of life in Him ... and you were buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him through faith in the working of God who raised Him from the dead. And you were dead in trespasses ... God made alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having cancelled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this He set aside, nailing it to the cross. He disarmed the [demonic] principalities and powers and made a public example of them, triumphing over them ... for you have died, and your life is hid with Christ in God" (Col 2:9 ff).


Calvin says things that I can't accept; and he condemns things that I'm growing very font of.

Hmmm.....
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Springs: It means he entered into being without God the Father or Holy Spirit.


Dear brother. That seems to be a common view: that the Trinity changed. That ist changed before it was formulated into dogms, meaning that what was formulted was already out-of-date.

Christ EXPERIENCED "forsaken"-ness. Being God, who in his nature at God can't suffer, Christ suffered in the flesh. Being a Person with two natures and two "natural wills" (one human will, and one divine will) he suffered in the flesh. And THROUGH His flesh he experienced "forsaken"-ness. The Father didn't die. But God knows. This ALL is tied up in the mystery of the Incarnation and the mystery of the Trinity!

What I've written does not take away anything from what you rejoice in so far as Christ's salvific work for you; does it?

(Its just not as bizzare as postulating a split up God.)
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http://www.reformed.org/documents/Christ_in_hell/index.html

Excerpted from: JOHN CALVIN'S: INSTITUTES OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION
EDITED BY JOHN T. MCNEILL
Auburn Professor Emeritus of Church History Union Theological Seminary New York

TRANSLATED AND INDEXED BY FORD LEWIS BATTLES As published on CD-ROM by Ages Software

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8. [CHRIST] "DESCENDED INTO HELL"

But we ought not to omit his descent into hell, a matter of no small moment in bringing about redemption. Now it appears from the ancient writers that this phrase which we read in the Creed was once not so much used in the churches. f431 Nevertheless, in setting forth a summary of doctrine a place must be given to it, as it contains the useful and not-to-be-despised mystery of a most important matter, bat least some of the old writers do not leave it out. f432 From this we may conjecture that it was inserted after a time, and did not become customary in the churches at once, but gradually. This much is certain: that it reflected the common belief of all the godly; for there is no one of the fathers who does not mention in his writings Christ's descent into hell, though their interpretations vary. But it matters little by whom or at what time this clause was inserted. Rather, the noteworthy point about the Creed is this: we have in it a summary of our faith, full and complete in all details; and containing nothing in it except what has been derived from the pure Word of God. If any persons have scruples about admitting this article into the Creed, f433 it will soon be made plain how important it is to the sum of our redemption: if it is left out, much of the benefit of Christ's death will be lost. On the other hand, there are some who think that nothing new is spoken of in this article, but that it repeats in other words what had previously been said of his burial, the word "hell" often being used in Scripture to denote a grave. f434 I grant that what they put forward concerning the meaning of the word is true: "hell" is frequently to be understood as "grave." But two reasons militate against their opinion, and readily persuade me to disagree with them. How careless it would have been, when something not at all difficult in itself has been stated with clear and easy words, to indicate it again in words that obscure rather than clarify it! Whenever two expressions for the same thing are used in the same context, the latter ought to be an explanation of the former. But what sort of explanation will it be if one says that "Christ was buried" means that "he descended into hell"? Secondly, it is not likely that a useless repetition of this sort could have crept into this summary, which the chief points of our faith are aptly noted in the fewest possible words. I have no doubt that all who have weighed this matter with some care will readily agree with me.

9. CHRIST IN THE NETHER WORLD?

Others interpret it differently: that Christ descended to the souls of the patriarchs who had died under the law, to announce redemption as accomplished and to free them from the prison where they were confined. f435 To back up this interpretation, they wrongly adduce evidence from a psalm: "He shatters the doors of bronze and the bars of iron" [Psalm 107:16]. Likewise, from Zechariah: "He will redeem the captives from the waterless pit" [Zechariah 9:11 p.]. But the psalm foretells the liberation of those who are cast into bondage in far-off countries; Zechariah, moreover, compares the Babylonian disaster, into which the people had been cast, to a deep, dry pit or abyss, and at the same time teaches that the salvation of the whole church is a release from the nether depths. Thus, it has happened in some way or other that later generations thought it to be a place under the earth, to which they gave the name "Limbo." f436 But this story, although it is repeated by great authors, and even today is earnestly defended as true by many persons, f437 still is nothing but a story. It is childish to enclose the souls of the dead in a prison. What need, then, for Christ's soul to go down there to release them? I readily admit that Christ shone upon them with the power of his Spirit, enabling them to realize that the grace which they had only tasted in hope was then manifested to the world. f438 In this way the passage in Peter can probably be explained wherein he says: "Christ came and preached to the spirits were in a `watchtower _ commonly rendered `prison'" [1 Peter 3:19, cf. Vg.]. The context leads us to suppose that believers who died before that time shared the same grace with us. For Peter extols the power of Christ's death in that it penetrated even to the dead; while godly souls enjoyed the present sight of that visitation which they had anxiously awaited. On the other hand, the wicked realized more clearly that they were excluded from all salvation. Now, while Peter does not clearly distinguish between the godly and the ungodly, we are not therefore to understand that he mixes them indiscriminately. He only means to teach that both groups have a common awareness of Christ's death.

10. THE "DESCENT INTO HELL" AS AN EXPRESSION OF THE SPIRITUAL TORMENT THAT CHRIST UNDERWENT FOR US

But we must seek a surer explanation, apart from the Creed, of Christ's descent into hell. The explanation given to us in God's Word is not only holy and pious, but also full of wonderful consolation. If Christ had died only a bodily death, it would have been ineffectual. No _ it was expedient at the same time for him to undergo the severity of God's vengeance, to appease his wrath and satisfy his just judgment. For this reason, he must also grapple hand to hand with the armies of hell and the dread of everlasting death. f439 A little while ago f440 we referred to the prophet's statement that "the chastisement of our peace was laid upon him," "he was wounded for our transgressions" by the Father, "he was bruised for our infirmities" [Isaiah 53:5 p.]. By these words he means that Christ was put in place of evildoers as surety and pledge _ submitting himself even as the accused _ to bear and suffer all the punishments that they ought to have sustained. All _ with this one exception: "He could not be held by the pangs of death" [Acts 2:24 p.]. No wonder, then, if he is said to have descended into hell, for he suffered the death that, God in his wrath had inflicted upon the wicked! Those who _ on the ground that it is absurd to put after his burial what preceded it _ say that the order is reversed in this way are making a very trifling and ridiculous objection. f441 The point is that the Creed sets forth what Christ suffered in the sight of men, and then appositely speaks of that invisible and incomprehensible judgment which he underwent in the sight of God in order that we might know not only that Christ's body was given as the price of our redemption, but that he paid a greater and more excellent price in suffering in his soul the terrible torments of a condemned and forsaken man.

11. DEFENSE OF THIS EXPLANATION FROM SCRIPTURE PASSAGES

In this sense Peter says: "Christ arose, having loosed the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held or conquered by them" [Acts 2:24 p.]. Peter does not simply name death, but expressly states that the Son of God had been laid hold of by the pangs of death that arose from God's curse and wrath _ the source of death. For what a smallthing it would have been to have gone forward with nothing to fear and, as if in sport, to suffer death! But this was a true proof of his boundless mercy, that he did not shun death, however much he dreaded it. There is no doubt that the apostle means the same thing when he writes in the Letter to the Hebrews: Christ "was heard for his fear" [Hebrews 5:7 p.]. (Others render it "reverence" or "piety," f442 but how inappropriately is evident from the fact itself, as well as the form of speaking.) Christ, therefore, "praying with tears and loud cries, is heard for his fear" [Hebrews 5:7 p.]; he does not pray to be spared death, but he prays not to be swallowed up by it as a sinner because he there bore our nature, and surely no more terrible abyss can be conceived than to feel yourself forsaken and estranged from God; and when you call upon him, not to be heard. It is as if God himself had plotted your ruin. We see that Christ was so cast down as to be compelled to cry out in deep anguish: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" [Psalm 22:1; Matthew 27:46]. Now some would have it that he was expressing the opinion of others rather than his own feeling. f443 This is not at all probable, for his words clearly were drawn forth from anguish deep within his heart. Yet we do not suggest that God was ever inimical or angry toward him. How could he be angry toward his beloved Son, "in whom his heart reposed" [cf. Matthew 3:17]? How could Christ by his intercession appease the Father toward others, if he were himself hateful to God? This is what we are saying: he bore the weight of divine severity, since he was "stricken and afflicted" [cf. Isaiah 53:5] by God's hand, and experienced all the signs of a wrathful and avenging God. Therefore Hilary reasons: by his descent into hell we have obtained this, that death has been overcome. In other passages he does not differ from our view, as when he says: "The cross, death, hell _ these are our life." In another place: "The Son of God is in hell, but man is borne up to heaven." f444 And why do I quote the testimony of a private individual when the apostle, recalling this fruit of victory, asserts the same thing, that they were "delivered who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage"? [Hebrews 2:l5 p.]. He had, therefore, to conquer that fear which by nature continually torments and oppresses all mortals. This he could do only by fighting it. Now it will soon be more apparent that his was no common sorrow or one engendered by a light cause. Therefore, by his wrestling hand to hand with the devil's power, with the dread of death,with the pains of hell, he was victorious and triumphed over them, that in death we may not now fear those things which our Prince has swallowed up [cf. 1 Peter 3:22, Vg.].

12. DEFENSE OF THE DOCTRINE AGAINST MISUNDERSTANDINGS AND ERRORS

Here certain untutored wretches, impelled more by malice than by ignorance, cry out that I am doing a frightful injustice to Christ. For they hold it incongruous for him to fear for the salvation of his soul. Then they stir up a harsher slander: that I attribute to the Son of God a despair contrary to faith. f445 First, these men wickedly raise a controversy over Christ's fear and dread, which the Evangelists so openly relate. For before the hour of death approached, "he was troubled in spirit" [ John 13:21] and stricken with grief, and when it came upon him, he, began to tremble more intensely with fear [cf. Matthew 26:37]. To say that he was pretending _ as they do _ is a foul evasion. We must with assurance, therefore, confess Christ's sorrow, as Ambrose rightly teaches, unless we are ashamed of the cross. f446 And surely, unless his soul shared in the punishment, he would have been the Redeemer of bodies alone. But he had to struggle to lift up those who lay prostrate. His goodness _ never sufficiently praised _ shines in this: he did not shrink from taking our weaknesses upon himself. Hence, it in nowise detracts from his heavenly glory. From this also arises the comfort for our anguish and sorrow that the apostle holds out to us: that this Mediator has experienced our weaknesses the better to succor us in our miseries [Hebrews 4:15a]. They claim that it is unworthy to attribute to Christ something evil of itself. As if they were wiser than God's Spirit, who harmonizes these two things! "Christ in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sinning." [Hebrews 4:15b.] There is no reason why Christ's weakness should alarm us. For he was not compelled by violence or necessity, but was induced purely by his love for us and by his mercy to submit to it. But all that he voluntarily suffered for us does not in the least detract from his power. These detractors are, moreover, deceived in this one point: they do not recognize in Christ a weakness pure and free of all vice and stain because he held himself within the bounds of obedience. Ourfallen nature, whose violent and turbulent emotions know no bounds, is without moderation. Hence, our opponents wrongly measure the Son of God by that standard. But since he was uncorrupted, a moderation that restrained excess flourished in all his emotions. Hence, he could be like us [cf. Hebrews 2:17] in sorrow, fear, and dread, yet in such a way as to differ from us by this characteristic. Our opponents, refuted, jump to another misrepresentation: although Christ feared death, he did not fear God's curse and wrath, from which he knew himself to be safe. But let godly readers consider how honorable it would be for Christ to have been more unmanly and cowardly than most men of the common sort! Thieves and other wrongdoers arrogantly hasten to death; many despise it with haughty courage; others bear it calmly. What sort of constancy or greatness would it have been for the Son of God to be stricken and almost stupefied with the dread of death? Something commonly considered miraculous was related about him: from the fierceness of his torment, drops of blood flowed from his face [Luke 22:44]. And he did not do this as a show for others' eyes, since he groaned to his Father in secret. This banishes all doubt: he had to have angels descend from heaven to encourage him by their unaccustomed consolation [Luke 22:43]. What shameful softness would it have been (as I have said) for Christ to be so tortured by the dread of common death as to sweat blood, and to be able to be revived only at the appearance of angels? What? Does not that prayer, coming from unbelievable bitterness of heart and repeated three times _ "Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me" [Matthew 26:39] _ show that Christ had a harsher and more difficult struggle than with common death? From this it appears that these quibblers with whom I am contending boldly chatter about things they know nothing of. For they have never earnestly considered what it is or means that we have been redeemed from God's judgment. Yet this is our wisdom: duly to feel how much our salvation cost the Son of God. Suppose someone should now ask whether Christ descended into hell when he prayed that death be averted. f447 I reply: this was the beginning from which we may gather what harsh and dreadful torments he suffered,when he knew that he stood accused before God's judgment seat for our sake. Although the divine power of his Spirit remained hidden for a moment to give place to weakness of flesh, we must know that the trial arising from the feeling of pain and fear was not contrary to faith. And in this way the statement in Peter's sermon was fulfilled: "He could not be held by the pangs of death" [Acts 2:24 p.]. For feeling himself, as it were, forsaken by God, he did not waver in the least from trust in his goodness. This is proved by that remarkable prayer to God in which he cried out in acute agony: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" [Matthew 27:46]. For even though he suffered beyond measure, he did not cease to call him his God, by whom he cried out that he had been forsaken. Now this refutes the error of Apollinaris, as well as that of the so-called Monothelites. Apollinaris claimed that Christ had an eternal spirit instead of a soul, so that he was only half a man. f448 As if he could atone for our sins in any other way than by obeying the Father! But where is inclination or will to obey except in the soul? We know that it was for this reason that his soul was troubled: to drive away fear and bring peace and repose to our souls. Against the Monothelites, f449 we see that he did not will as man what he willed according to his divine nature. I pass over the fact that, with a contrary emotion, he overcame the fear of which we have spoken. This plainly appears to be a great paradox: "`Father, save me from this hour' ? No, for this purpose I have come to this hour. Father, glorify thy name" [ <431227> John 12:27-28]. Yet in his perplexity there was no extravagant behavior such as is seen in us when we strive mightily to control ourselves.

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Footnotes
ft431 Calvin here follows Erasmus' Explanation of the Apostles' Creed (1533), published with the Basel edition of his works, Omnia Opera D. Erasmi (Basel, 1540). V. 967 f. On the late appearance of this doctrine and its incorporation in the Creed, see especially A. Vacant and E. Mangenot, Dictionnaire de theologie Catholique, article "Descent de Jesus aux enfers," Vol. IV. One of the earliest references to it is in the unorthodox "Dated Creed" of the synod held at Nice in Thrace 359, as given by Socrates, Ecclesiastical History 2. 37 (MPG 67. 280; tr. Ayer, Source Book, p. 318; H. Bettenson, Documents of the Christian Church, p. 60.
ft432 The topic is omitted by Augustine in his sermon to catechumens on the Creed (De symbolo ad catechumenos) (MPL 40. 627-656; tr. NPNF III. 369-375). The descent into hell had been called in question or rejected by some bold theologians before Calvin. Reginald Pecock presented a revision of the Creed in 1440, omitting this article. Cf. J. Lewis, Life of the Learned and Right Reverend Reynold Pecock, pp. 210, 221-225, 316, 325.
ft433 The insertion of this sentence in 1559 may have been occasioned by a revival of criticism of the article. In a letter written by John a Lasco to Bullinger, June 17, 1553, it is stated that Walter Deloenus, a minister of the church of the German refugees in London, had proposed its omission as "a plant that the Lord hath not planted" (cf. Matthew 15:13). Though under rebuke he had acknowledged his fault, harmful discussion had arisen (A, Lasco, Opera, ed. A. Kuyper, 1I. 677 f.). Cf. OS III, Addenda, p. 517, and on Deloenus (Devlin or Delvin), see Original Letters Relative to the English Reformation, edited for The Parker Society II. 575, 588.
ft434 This view was held by Bucer (Enarrationes in Evangelia, 1536, pp. 511 f., 792 ff.) and apparently by Beza.
ft435 Aquinas, Summa Theol. III. 52. 5: "When Christ descended into hell, by the power of his Passion he delivered the saints from this penalty whereby they were excluded from the life of glory...."
ft436 Aquinas, in Summa Theol. III. Supplementum lxix. 4-7, examines questions on the limbus patrum, distinguishing it (Art. 6) from the limbus puerorum. The fathers were detained in limbo until delivered by Christ, and were thus in hope and in a state of rest, while the children in limbo "have no hope of the blessed life." Cf. A. Vacant and E. Mangenot, Dictionnaire de theologie Catholique, article "Limbes."
ft437 Cf. Irenaeus, Against Heresies IV. 2; V. 31 (MPG 7.976 ff., 1068 ff.; tr. ANF I. 463 f., 504 f.). Servetus, Christianismi restitutio, pp. 621 f. (first letter of Servetus to Calvin, also in CR VIII. 682 f.); Peter Martyr Vermigli, Loci communes III. 16. 8.
ft438 Perhaps a reference to Zwingli, Exposition of the Faith, section on "Christ the Lord" (Zwingli, Opera, ed. M. Schuler and J. Schulthess, IV. 49; tr. LCC XXIV. 252). Cf. the treatment of the descent into hell by Peter Martyr, Loci communes III: "Simple Exposition of the Articles of the Creed" 20 and III. 16. 8-25 (1576 edition, pp. 476, 814- 815).
ft439 Cf. sections 8,9, notes 17 and 20, above. Calvin first suggests this conception of the descent into hell in Psychopannychia (1534, published 1542: CR V. 224; tr. Calvin, Tracts III. 628). The prevailing interpretation of this article of the Creed was that of Aquinas, who gave some firmness to this doctrine after the rather unsystematic treatment of it by Lombard and Albertus Magnus. See Summa Theol. III. 52. 2,4-6,8. Calvin's explanation is not, as Pannier states, "entirely original" (Pannier, Institution II. 883, note a on p. l07). Nicolas of Cusa (e.g., in Sermon on <193011> Psalm 30:11), followed by Pico della Mirandola, had similarly explained the descensus in terms of Christ's agony. Luther adopted the view that Christ, as God and man, literally entered into hell. The Catechism of the Council of Trent, section 49, following Aquinas, states that Christ liberated the (Old Testament) fathers and other pious men from imprisonment in limbo. For the complicated history of discussions concerning this article, see J. A. Dietelmeier, Historia de descensu Christi ad inferos literaria, esp. pp. 160-191, and the sources there cited.
ft440 Section 5, above.
ft441 Calvin's explanation of the descent into hell as consisting of Christ's redemptive agony on the cross had been ridiculed by SebastianCastellio, as is indicated in a letter of Calvin to Viret, March, 1544 (CR XI. 688; tr. Calvin, Letters I. 409), Apparently Castellio held the view here rejected. Cf. CR XI. 675; Herminjard, Correspondance IX. 158,185.
ft442 Vulgate: "Exauditus est pro sua reverentia."
ft443 Cyril, De recta fide, Oratio 2. 18 (MPG 76. 1555 ff.).
ft444 Hilary, On the Trinity IV. xlii ("mortera in inferno perimens"); III. xv ("Dei filius in inferis est; sed homo refertur ad coelum") (MPL 10. 128, 24; tr. NPNF 2 ser. IX. 84,66).
ft445 See section 8, note 17; section 10, note 25, above. Barth and Niesel hold it improbable that in this passage Calvin is refuting a criticism by Castellio. Although they know of no explanation in opposition to Calvin's view other than Castellio's, they would not exclude the possibility that the charges here dealt with were those of some Lutheran critic. (OS III. 497, note 1.) The topic had come into discussion in England through the rejection of the article in a disputation at Cambridge by Christopher Carlisle, 1552 (Dietelmeier, op. cit., pp. 205 ff.). Carlisle's discourse was published in 1582: Touching the Descension of Our Savior Christ Into Hell. A year later, as we have seen, the German refugee church in London was disturbed by the similar views of one of its ministers (section 8, note 17, above). See also Herminjard, Correspondance IX. 158, note 3; CR XI. 675. Later Robert Parkes resumed the attack with reference to Article 3 of the Thirty-nine Articles, calling forth a reply by the Calvinist Andrew Willet (Limbomastix, 1607).
ft446 Ambrose, Exposition of Luke's Gospel 10. 56-62 (MPL 15. 1910 ff.).
ft447 The reference is apparently to an opinion of Castellio's: cf. section 10, note 25.
ft448 Apollinaris of Laodicea taught (ca. 360) that the divine Logos "dwelt as soul in the body received from the Virgin Mary" (Lietzmann). See C. E. Raven, Apollinarianism, and H. Lietzmann, From Constantine to Julian (A History of the Early Church, Volume III), pp. 209 f.
ft449 The Monothelites arose in the seventh century in attempts to resolve the Monophysite schism. Whereas Monophysites taught one nature only in Christ, thus rejecting the definition of Chalcedon (451), theMonothelites, on the basis of the compromising Ecthesis of the Emperor Heraclius (638), admitted two natures but only one energy or will ([]). Their doctrine was explicitly rejected in the Third Council of Constantinople, 681, session 13. (Mansi XI. l054; Ayer, Source Book, pp. 671 f.; Bettenson, Documents of the Christian Church, p. 130.)

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Good Question: Did Jesus Really Descend to Hell?


In the Apostles¡ Creed, there is a statement about Jesus descending into hell. Did he literally go there? --DEBRA BLACK, Alton, Illinois


Each Sunday, millions of Christians around the world recite the Apostles¡ Creed, including that statement: "I believe that Jesus . . . descended into hell." Yet a few years back at one Christian college, a series of chapel messages on the Apostles¡ Creed had to omit this item, because none of the 12 professors of Bible and theology believed it.

Actually the statement is not found in the earliest form of the Apostles¡ Creed. It echoes Acts 2:31, and seems to be there simply to make the point that Jesus¡ death was real and complete. Jesus went to hades, which in the Greek signifies the world of the departed--paradise for some, pain for others. When the Apostles¡ Creed took its English form in the sixteenth century, "hell" meant hades as such, rather than the final state of the lost (which Jesus called gehenna), as it always is today. So, should those who accept the Bible as their supreme authority for belief hold to the Creed¡s doctrine on this point?

Scripture tells us very little about Jesus' state between his death and resurrection. The most commonly cited biblical passages are Acts 2:31; Ephesians 4:8¤10; 1 Peter 4:6; and, most importantly, 1 Peter 3:18¤20.

Ephesians 4 is likely a reference to the Incarnation, and 1 Peter 4:6 could apply to any preaching of the gospel. But numerous interpretations of 1 Peter 3:18¤20 exist. Some say the 1 Peter 3 passage should not be taken literally--that it is symbolic, conveying in graphic form the idea that redemption is universal in its extent. This, however, involves a more spiritualized hermeneutic than usually practiced by evangelicals.

Others contend that this refers to a descent by Jesus into the realm of the dead between his death and resurrection, and an actual preaching to its occupants, either offering salvation to them or declaring his own triumph over death and judgment upon those who in their earthly life did not respond to God. This interpretation, however, seems in conflict with the rest of Jesus¡ life and ministry--and with the context of the passage, which emphasizes a faithful, gentle witness, giving a reason for one¡s faith, even in the face of opposition (vv. 15¤17).

At the same time, the non-literal interpretation has difficulty accounting adequately for the reference to Noah (v. 20), unless the preaching was restricted only to people from Noah¡s time, which seems strange. It also appears to conflict with the theological context, or how our interpretation fits with other, more clearly established doctrines. Here we encounter biblical references teaching the finality of death over and against any opportunity for salvation, at least since the time of Christ.

Many consider the parable of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19¤31) pertinent to the question, as are much of Psalm 49 and Revelation 20:11¤15. Hebrews 9:27 indicates a close linkage between death and judgment, with nothing mentioned as intervening. And Jesus¡ statement to the thief on the cross--"today you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:42,43)--also is relevant.

One other interpretation, held by Augustine and defended strongly by several evangelicals, seems more promising. In this view, Christ preached "in spirit" through Noah as Noah built the ark. This was a message of repentance and righteousness, given to unbelieving people who were then on earth but now are "spirits in prison" (i.e., in hell).

While this reference to spirits in prison is not completely natural, this view fits better with the other considerations. It also is supported by 1 Peter 1:10¤12, which speaks of the Spirit of Christ in the prophets who spoke. While none of the interpretations is totally without difficulty, one might conclude that this is the most adequate reading of the relevant data.

Robert Mounce, in his commentary Living Hope, says that the 1 Peter 3:18¤20 passage is "widely recognized as perhaps the most difficult to understand in all of the New Testament." Even if one holds that Jesus did descend into hell to offer salvation to those who had lived on earth before him, this special effort does not apply to those who lived and died later.

There is one thing of which we can be certain: Jesus¡ death was a literal event, not some temporary state of unconsciousness. Hence, in his resurrection, Christ did indeed conquer death--both in its spiritual and physical forms.

Bible-believing Christians can allow themselves to differ on the nature of Jesus¡ descent into hell. Some will be able to recite this part of the Apostles¡ Creed with conviction, while others may choose to remain silent.



Millard J. Erickson is Distinguished Professor of Theology at Truett Theological Seminary, Baylor University.

Copyright 2000 by Christianity Today, Inc./Christianity Today magazine.
February 7, 2000, Vol. 44, No. 2, Page 74

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