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Seymour
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| Posted 3/30/2002 7:12 PM (GMT -6) |   |
I’m really tired of having to listen to Dr. Dobson’s silly stupid, down right wrong theological statements. (I don’t listen to him, but someone I live with does every day and I can’t help but hearing, and then commenting on how stupid they are.)
I won’t even go into what he said today, I’m still reeling over it.
But pop theology gets on my nerves sometimes.
I’m tired of having to explain why 1 Cor. 3:16-17 is not about why we shouldn’t smoke or drink and why we should work out.
I’m tired of hearing silly things about the rapture and trying to explain why its bunk.
I’m tired of having to deal with dispensational beliefs seeping into peoples theologies and then having to explain why their all bunk too.
So what pop theology things have y’all had to deal with a lot?
We can do a whole “you have heard that it was said but know I say unto you” bit.
For example:
You have heard that it was said: We shouldn’t smoke because our bodies are God’s temples.
But I say unto you: That verse had nothing to do with a physical body but rather the body of the Church. Paul was warning against divisions in the Church and said that God would destroy the people who destroyed the Churches unity.
Your turn.
EMILY: “Oh, earth, you’re too wonderful for anybody to realize you. Do any human beings ever realize life while they live it?--every, every minute?”
STAGE MANAGER: “No. The saints and poets, maybe--they do some.”
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Seymour
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| Posted 3/30/2002 7:15 PM (GMT -6) | | oh i just thought of another one. Someone today told me that vegetarianism isn't an ethical question for us because God told Peter he all of the meat was clean.
EMILY: “Oh, earth, you’re too wonderful for anybody to realize you. Do any human beings ever realize life while they live it?--every, every minute?”
STAGE MANAGER: “No. The saints and poets, maybe--they do some.”
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 3/31/2002 12:19 PM (GMT -6) | | Seymour:
I think that your interpretation of 1 Cor. 3:16-17 is very solid.
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You have heard that it was said: We shouldn’t smoke because our bodies are God’s temples.
(1 Cor. 3:16-17 -- "16Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? 17If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple. ")
But I say unto you: That verse had nothing to do with a physical body but rather the body of the Church. Paul was warning against divisions in the Church and said that God would destroy the people who destroyed the Churches unity.
Yet, another danger is present in that issue. The somewhat "Gnostic" tendency to ignore the physicality of our psycho-somatic unity of our humanity can rear its head quickly, quietly, and dangerously.
So, lets look for signs of the role the body plays in our "spiritual" life. (I put it in quotes, because I mean to make the point that it is not an issolated part of us.)
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1 Cor 5: 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
Our physicality is involved in these two: "sexually immoral" and "drunkard" A passage later in the letter makes it clear, I think, that Pauls concern was not soley with the phycical. Rather, He said it was important that the WHOLE man be renewed.
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1Cor 6: 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
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1 Cor 6: 15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." 17But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
18Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
Hmmmm...... Seymour, THIS verse is definitly about YOUR body, and MINE: "19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body." (1 Cor 6: 19-29)
HEY, Seymour, what gives?
If you don't want to listen to them when they quote Chapter-3, then turn to Chapter-6 instead. i agree with you about Chapter-3. But..... Who you try'n to fool? (See why?)
Though THIS is true:
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1 Cor 15: 50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."[7]
Yet, our bodies are still important. We won't be ride of them until we actually are free from their mortality.
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Triskal
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| Posted 3/31/2002 12:35 PM (GMT -6) | | One thing I am REALLY tired of people saying to me is "It's not for us to understand. Only God knows everything". Or something along that lines.
I was at a Christian youth retreat a few months ago sitting in on a class about post-modernism when the speaker started talking about the attacks on the WTC. His position was that it was God's judgement on America for all the evil we've commited. This really ticked me off, so naturally I challenged him on his position. I asked him why God would punish evil with evil. His response was something like "The Bible says our ways are not God's ways. His reasons are not for us to know. Only God knows." I tried to challenge him further but he changed the subject as soon as I started to speak.
It's those kind of witty, one-liner, supposedly "Biblical" remarks that drive me crazy. I have several friends that seem to have them all memorized and readily available to use whenever their beliefs are challenged. The day Christians get enough courage to actually look further into what they believe will be a day of rejoicing for me.
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