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Seymour
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Posted 4/3/2002 4:33 PM (GMT -6)

I’ve been listening to a lot of Greg Brown lately and his tunes about the joys of fishing and it has reminded me of fond memories with my grandfather fishing in old rowboats in the middle of a big windy lake, and I thought about my grandpa (who is dead now) and how I’d like to go fishing with him again someday in heaven. But then I got to thinking. Fishing won’t be a part of heaven. Fishing is a part of the fall. Yet without the joy of fishing heaven would be less the perfect, it would be missing something.

The same goes with bull fighting and the running of the bulls in Spain. I’ve always had a romantic attraction to these events, yet at the same time I’ve condemned myself for having this attraction to them because they are brutal. Yet if heaven doesn’t have a running with the bulls, then I would feel that its lacking something in some way.

Does this mean that I am still too in love with this evil world for enjoying fishing and running with wild bulls chasing me???

EMILY: “Oh, earth, you’re too wonderful for anybody to realize you. Do any human beings ever realize life while they live it?--every, every minute?”
STAGE MANAGER: “No. The saints and poets, maybe--they do some.”

Edited by - Seymour on 04/03/2002 9:36:17 PM

geej
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Posted 4/3/2002 5:10 PM (GMT -6)

Seymour
I'm going to go with no bullfights (too mean to the bulls...they are innocent victims who are gratuitusly tortured and murdered) but, if I can show my dogs and go dogsledding and sheep herding, I'm pretty sure God will let you go fishing with your grandpa. As for running with the bulls, if they just chase you and you don't hurt them...why not?
Geej

current favorite quote:
"due to budget cuts, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off."

trosie
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Posted 4/3/2002 5:35 PM (GMT -6)

I'm glad that there are others who are looking forward to having other living creatures in heaven.

Heaven just wouldn't be the same without my animals being there to cuddle

I think it will beyond what you can even imagine, Seymour.
trosie

Semeia
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Posted 4/3/2002 8:21 PM (GMT -6)

Seymour,

I think heaven is where fishing and running with wild bulls were invented.
And windswept lakes and racing hearts and being out of breath and laughing until you cry.

That elevator music and fade out at the edges fluffy cloud business is all satan's.

Thanks,
Semeia

"The opposite of sin is not virtue, but faith."--Soren Kierkegaard

PotOnWheel
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Posted 4/4/2002 1:17 AM (GMT -6)

Edward Hicks American, 1780-1849
Peaceable Kingdom, ca. 1848

trosie
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Posted 4/4/2002 4:18 AM (GMT -6)

Elevator music? Semeia, how could you attack elevator music? No, I'm just kidding.

Actually I don't hear much music when I go in elevators so I haven't a clue what it sounds like. I'm either taking the wrong elevators or else should get my hearing checked

POW, Your pictures have affirmed for me that YES, there are animals in heaven! At least according to those portraits you posted.

Seymour
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Posted 4/4/2002 4:39 AM (GMT -6)

quote:

I'm going to go with no bullfights (too mean to the bulls...they are innocent victims who are gratuitusly tortured and murdered) but, if I can show my dogs and go dogsledding and sheep herding, I'm pretty sure God will let you go fishing with your grandpa.
Geej

if bullfights are too mean to the bulls then why is fishing not too mean to the fish? are not both a result of the fall? would we go fishing in Eden? shouldn't we all become vegitarians now?

Still, there are cultural and romanitic attachments to fishing and bull fighting that i value as positive things, as things that i would leave the world diminished if the were removed.

get my drift?

EMILY: “Oh, earth, you’re too wonderful for anybody to realize you. Do any human beings ever realize life while they live it?--every, every minute?”
STAGE MANAGER: “No. The saints and poets, maybe--they do some.”

churchmouse522
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Posted 4/4/2002 5:08 AM (GMT -6)

Whenever someone asks me to speculate about heaven I feel a little stupid. I picture God laughing at my feeble attempts to guess what his kingdom is really like. I just know enough about Jesus because of the way he relates to me to trust that it's going to be really, really, really, REALLY GOOD. Not that I don't have my fantasies. God and I laugh together about those.

Mouse

"We're never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy." Seal

Springs
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Posted 4/4/2002 10:55 AM (GMT -6)

I too believe heaven will be more glorious than we can even imagine. I think we'll be on good terms with the animals, like we were in Eden. I know that I will continue to learn. I read somewhere that someone said they wanted to have sex in heaven or it wouldn't be heaven. The response was, that's like a 10 year old learning about sex and asking if they could eat chocolate during it.

Springs

I'm taking off to the Domincan Republic tomorrow, woo whoo. I'll be gone for a week.
Blessings

"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." Ps. 19:1

geej
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Posted 4/4/2002 11:31 AM (GMT -6)

Seymour,
Now I adore animals like crazy...I'm against animal testing, bull fighting stuff like that... but as I see it the difference between these and say hunting and fishing is that the purpose of fishing and hunting is food, they are hopefully taken in a humane, fast way. Deer populations can often get so high that many starve to death over the winter; I think being shot would be faster and more humane than starving. (just thought I'd put that out there) In heaven, if there is no killing, don't you think God would mind if you did catch and release fishing? (they'll have better hooks up there...trust me)
With bull fighting...as I understand it...it is a culturally accepted means of torturing and killing an animal in a more sporting way. Unless I'm missing something, there isn't a specific purpose other than the kill in bull fights. Frankly, I tend to root for the bull.

(closest thing to a cow likeness I could come up with) : )
Geej

churchmouse522
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Posted 4/4/2002 11:42 AM (GMT -6)

quote:

(closest thing to a cow likeness I could come up with) : )
Geej

Boy are you in trouble when Meph finds out that you find his icon "cowlike".

Mouse

"We're never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy." Seal

chance
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Posted 4/4/2002 2:12 PM (GMT -6)

A guy I am working with tonight shared with me his view that we will all end up living on a planet outside of our solar system which is where Heaven is. He said that the planet comes around every 3,600 years and when it comes by angels and the like come to Earth (or leave the Earth for Heaven). The book he told me about, The 12th Planet, is one of a series of 8 books written by some dude who is familiar with near eastern stories and the like. He also said that he thinks the 1 Enoch should be in the bible and that he puts a lot of weight on it.

Whaddya think of that?

chance

A God who has fixed every detail beforehand may retire or die --Markus Barth

trosie
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Posted 4/4/2002 3:22 PM (GMT -6)

Hey, maybe bull fighting in heaven will look something like wrestling when a little boy play wrestles with his dad. No one gets hurt and they both have A LOT of fun

You know what I'm fantasizing about doing when I get to heaven? I want to go sailing around in the solar system looking at all the awesome planets and all the zillions of stars...

I agree with y'all, heaven will be much more glorious than we humans can even fathom right now!!!!!
trosie

PS. Springs have a great time in the Dominican Republic! Catch some rays for me

Edited by - trosie on 04/04/2002 8:24:04 PM

geej
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Posted 4/5/2002 5:32 PM (GMT -6)

Mouse
Its all in the horns.

Go cows!!!! (sheesh, you'd think I'd gone to UT and was a Texas Longhorn! ..no good for a sister of an Aggie)

Geej

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