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Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 2/13/2006 12:06 PM (GMT -6) |   | | I'D PARTICULARLY LIKE TO BE WALKED THROUGH THIS.......
(viewing free-choice and predestination in a Christological context)
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V. Conclusion
What are the implications of viewing free-choice and predestination in a Christological context? I will conclude this essay with investigating one further implication of the Confessor’s doctrine: the apokatastasis. The Patriarch of Constantinople rooting the will in the hypostasis not only was a reducio ad absurdum to two different Triadological heresies,71 but it also implied an apokatastasis reminiscent of Origenism with respect to one’s hypostatic state. A denial of a natural will in Christ was a denial of His full humanity, and Christ’s humanity being consubstantial with all men was moved fully by the divine will:
Pyrrhus: Was not the flesh moved by the decision of the Word Who is united with it?
But doesn’t Maximus’s view of the logoi being naturally in all men at creation72 and being recapitulated in the One divine Logos also imply a kind of determinism and inevitability73 that is every bit as strong as Origen? Indeed it does. The difference between Origen and Maximus goes back to the robust distinction of nature and person/logos and tropos that the Confessor holds in his doctrine of free-choice. The apokatastasis for Maximus—which is what his doctrine of predestination is—is to all created nature and man having “ever-being.” This is God’s purpose or predestination for his creation to have eternal existence.74 The Incarnation, Life, Death, and Resurrection of our Lord are a process that reversed the effects of Adam’s sin that would’ve introduced annihilation or a going back into non-being in God’s creation. It is a life of our Lord “that healed and restored with a certain compulsion, by the mighty power of God’s omnipotence and invincible grace.”75 However, one’s hypostatic state, either to “ever-ill being” or “ever-well being,” is up to the personal use of that natural faculty and is not determined by God, but is utterly free:
The Church knoweth three apokatastases. One is the [apokatastasis] of everything according to the principle (logos) of virtue; in this apokatastasis one is restored who fulfills the principle of virtue in himself. The second is that of the whole [human nature] in the Resurrection. This is the apokatastasis to incorruption and immortality. The third, in the oft-cited words of Gregory of Nyssa, is the apokatastasis of the powers of the soul which, having lapsed into sin, are again restored to that condition in which they were created. For it is necessary that just as the entire nature of the flesh hopeth in time to be taken up again into incorruption in the apokatastasis, so also the powers of the soul, having become distorted during the course of the ages had instilled in it a memory of evil, so that at the end of ages, not finding any rest, will come unto God Who hath no limit. And thus the distorted powers of the soul will be taken up into the primeval apokatastasis, into a merely discursive knowledge of, but not into the participation in, the good things [of God], where the Creator is known yet without being the cause of [their] sin.76
God’s glory is for all and will be communicated to all in “ever-being.” Those that have their hypostasis united with the logoi by constantly recapitulating these virtues in this life (by prayer, asceticism, and sacramentally in the Church), God’s glories are “ever-well being.” Likewise, those that choose not to practice these virtues, God’s glories are “ever-ill being.” Because the damned have not integrated their hypostasis with their natural virtue, it is God’s presence [as opposed to his absence] that is their misery.
I conclude this paper by noting that in all the debates that have plagued the West in the confrontations between predestination and free-will, the great gem of Saint Maximus the Confessor who wrote the most definitive explications on the will has been absent amongst all the great contenders. One must wonder with Jaroslav Pelikan if Western theologians have been able to successfully implement the results of this Eastern Christian controversy.77 78
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Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 2/13/2006 3:19 PM (GMT -6) |   | | First, what I'm looking at; and second what I think I'm seeing.
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- I conclude this paper by noting that in all the debates that have plagued the West in the confrontations between predestination and free-will, the great gem of Saint Maximus the Confessor who wrote the most definitive explications on the will has been absent amongst all the great contenders.
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- What are the implications of viewing free-choice and predestination in a Christological context?
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- . . .The apokatastasis for Maximus—which is what his doctrine of predestination is—is to all created nature and man having “ever-being.” This is God’s purpose or predestination for his creation to have eternal existence.74 . . .
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- . . .It is a life of our Lord “that healed and restored with a certain compulsion, by the mighty power of God’s omnipotence and invincible grace.”75 However, one’s hypostatic state, either to “ever-ill being” or “ever-well being,” is up to the personal use of that natural faculty and is not determined by God, but is utterly free:
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- God’s glory is for all and will be communicated to all in “ever-being.” Those that have their hypostasis united with the logoi by constantly recapitulating these virtues in this life (by prayer, asceticism, and sacramentally in the Church), God’s glories are “ever-well being.” Likewise, those that choose not to practice these virtues, God’s glories are “ever-ill being.” Because the damned have not integrated their hypostasis with their natural virtue, it is God’s presence [as opposed to his absence] that is their misery.77 78
I'm not an academic. I'm a teacher and a sometimes-artist. But what I think I'm seeing is: (a) that there might be "a way out" of the dialog deadlocks people get into with eachother over predestination and free-will; (b) The key to making such probress in conversation is founded in Christology -- which HOPEFULLY people might be more willing and motivated to begin dialog over; (c1) "predestinatoin" for Maximus is not in contradiction with "free will" in the same, which might raise some eyebrows in favor of "b"; (C2) AND, what some Augustinians/Calvinists/Etc, might feel is at stake in WHAT Maximus is saying; (c3) that the distinctions between (in Neo-Kuyperiian/Calvinistic language now) living according to creational norms and not is the difference between dwelling attached to the vine and not. (more non-spcifically Maximus-ian phrasing...); (c4) various kinds of being (Being, ever-being, etc.) are worth looking at, as they are things we can recognize blimmers of in our life in the Lord; (d) what we sew, so shall we reap; (e) God's glory/energies are unstopable, but dwelling and walking in the Lord's light and strength are like the water and sunlight that a plant needs -- not practicing them makes one unprepared for eternity.
Predestination and God's sovereignty are true and real. But they do not stop in themselves, but include our work of walking in faith.
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Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 2/13/2006 3:23 PM (GMT -6) |   | btw, I enjoyed and tried to get as much as I could out of Panyiotios Christou's of "Maximos Confessor on the Infinity Of Man"
"Every man is a μοιρα Θεού, but not under any condition: he was created as a μοίρα Θεού and remains as such as long as he moves according to his logos, otherwise he collapses and may return again to non-being" (14 Commentary to On the Divine Names PG 91, 1081C.)
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