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Tom
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   Posted 3/8/2006 6:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
1Co. 6.2 "Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?" and 6.3 "Do you not know that we will judge the angels?"
 
Too much time in the sun? To much jail-time? What was he thinking? Where'd he get his ideas from?
 
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   Posted 3/8/2006 7:18 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Can I try. (quick attempt)

Christ is the judge. The standard we are judged by is the same status that is our own normal status: created to be and to become. Christ is the recapituation of that humanity, and in Christ as his body we atain to that status by participation in his grace in model of His faith. When "times up" happens we are judged by what we do or do not, have or have not attained in communion and healing. The gracious love of God will be either heaven or hell for us.

So... my guess is that the angels are "judged" by the standard benchmarked in us by Christ.

Maybe that's a lame guess. Its really just my saying that my younger son's height is "judged" by the height of my older son.

Vat'cha think, Tom?

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Tom
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   Posted 3/8/2006 8:18 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, I can hardly imagine myself telling Gabriel that he did greatly here, poorly there. Still, Paul responds to believers' dragging each other into court to settle their differences with "Don't you know we'll judge the world, and the angels" he has something like that in mind. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm more inclined to something along those lines myself. I just don't see how it serves Paul's purposes here.

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   Posted 3/8/2006 10:58 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Another trajectory of consideration is the patristic observation that man is positioned inbetween nature and spirit, having elements of both in ourselves. Sensible and rational. All I can make from that is that there is a relationship between angels and us in that we share some things in common.


 
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   Posted 3/8/2006 11:07 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
IN one place Chrysostom is not much help:
But if some should still contend that he speaks of priests, “What sort of priests?” let us ask. Those whose walk in life has been worldly, of course. In what sense then does he say, “We shall judge angels, much more things that relate to this life?” He mentions the angels, in contradistinction to “things relating to this life”: likely enough; for they are removed from the need of these things, because of the superior excellence of their nature.
I see there that the angels ls mentioned as rhetorically useful in pointing to higher things than earthly so as to make the point that 'of course' the earthly too.

But the details of judging angels is not there...


 
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   Posted 3/8/2006 11:29 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
One Aphrahat the Persian Sage, author of the "Demonstrations" says this. And it would take all mystery away -- defining angels this way...
On Judgement:

Remember that the Apostle also said, We shall judge angels. And our Lord said to His disciples, Ye shall sit on twelve thrones, and judge twelve tribes of the house of Israel. And Ezekiel said concerning righteous men, that they shall judge Ahola and Aholibah. Since, then, the righteous are to judge the wicked, He has made clear concerning them that they shall not come into judgment. And as to what the apostles say, that We shall judge angels, hear, and I will instruct thee. The angels who shall be judged by the apostles are the priests who have violated the law; as the Prophet said, The lips of the priest shall guard knowledge, and the law shall they inquire of his mouth; because he is the angel of the Lord, the most mighty. The angels who are the priests, of whose mouth the law is inquired, when they transgress the law, shall be judged at the last by the apostles, and the priests who observe the law.

(on that source   http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf213.iii.iii.iii.html )


 
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Tom, if we take Paul to be making a point analogous to Christ's, when he said that Sodom and Gomorrah would judge his generation since they would have repented had they seen his signs, THEN we can take Paul's comments as referring to FALLEN angels in that SAME manner of comparison.


 

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   Posted 3/11/2006 9:14 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Oooooo.

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