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koelke
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Posted 1/5/2004 3:30 PM (GMT -6)

Dear Dr. Boyd,

I just read your masterpiece, Oneness Pentecostals & the Trinity (1992). You developed some very solid lines of evidence supporting the Trinity. Any chance that this book has been read by Bernard or Sabin in the Oneness movement and have they published a rebuttal? How well known is your book in the UPCI movement? I think it is about to go BIG TIME if it hasn't already.

Yours,
Kurt

kurt

GregBoyd
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Posted 1/5/2004 5:15 PM (GMT -6)

Hi Kurt, thanks for the feedback..

There's been quite a bit of "rebutting" of my book on the part of Oneness people both inside and outside the UPCI. I have received two full length manuscripts written specifically against it, though nothing by Sabin and Bernard (though both have referred to it in print in various contexts). Go on-line and you'll find quite a bit of interaction with it.

Though never a best seller the book found a niche that has kept it going steady for (what is it) 10 or 11 years now. It's been helpful in getting hundreds of people out of the Oneness movement or preventing them from getting into it. And several denominations have used it to help squelch rising Oneess controversies within there ranks. The testimonies have been encouraging.

The most interesting response to the book , however, has been personal mail I've gotten from Oneness people. UN-BE-LIEV-ABLE. I've been cursed to hell and back , up and down, sideways and forward , with room to spare! Several letters are dripping with venom. Its really pretty amusing.

At the same time, I have to say that both before and after my departure from the Oneness group, I have met some outstanding loving gracious Oneness folk. I just disagree with them.

Blessings on you,

Greg

"The responsibility is with the chooser -- God is blameless." Plato, Republic, 10.

Ochuk
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Posted 1/6/2004 9:37 AM (GMT -6)

Hey Doc,

Did you know your book was recommended by Modern Reformation? I just about crap'd my pants when I saw your name in there with positive comments under it! And people don't think you are an "Evangelical!" Bandit

So tell us, what kind of letter do you get from what Pinnock calls, "Paleo-Calvinists?"

Read my blog at ochuk.gizzar.com

koelke
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Posted 1/8/2004 6:10 PM (GMT -6)

Dr. Boyd,

Thank you for the detailed response so quickly. I can't imagine a busy professor like you having time to personally email me, but I'm very grateful. Anyways, you suggested that I go on-line to find some rebuttals to your book Oneness Pentecostals and the Trinity. Do you have any websites that you would recommend?

Thanks again,
Kurt Oelke MD

quote:
Originally posted by GregBoyd

Hi Kurt, thanks for the feedback..

There's been quite a bit of "rebutting" of my book on the part of Oneness people both inside and outside the UPCI. I have received two full length manuscripts written specifically against it, though nothing by Sabin and Bernard (though both have referred to it in print in various contexts). Go on-line and you'll find quite a bit of interaction with it.

Though never a best seller the book found a niche that has kept it going steady for (what is it) 10 or 11 years now. It's been helpful in getting hundreds of people out of the Oneness movement or preventing them from getting into it. And several denominations have used it to help squelch rising Oneess controversies within there ranks. The testimonies have been encouraging.

The most interesting response to the book , however, has been personal mail I've gotten from Oneness people. UN-BE-LIEV-ABLE. I've been cursed to hell and back , up and down, sideways and forward , with room to spare! Several letters are dripping with venom. Its really pretty amusing.

At the same time, I have to say that both before and after my departure from the Oneness group, I have met some outstanding loving gracious Oneness folk. I just disagree with them.

Blessings on you,

Greg

kurt

GregBoyd
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Posted 1/9/2004 9:04 AM (GMT -6)

[Anyways, you suggested that I go on-line to find some rebuttals to your book Oneness Pentecostals and the Trinity. Do you have any websites that you would recommend?

Doc: No, actually I only did this once just out of curiousity, several years ago. I just did a web search along the lines of "Greg Boyd" or "Gregory A. Boyd," "Oneness Pentecostals" "Jesus Only" etc.. I don't recall any of the sites, but there were several that were in whole or in part about refuting my book. Its kind of fun.

There's a book by Jospeh E. Barrett entitled In Defense of Oneness (Spirit of Truth Ministries, 1994) that is mostly devoted to taking me to task. You can order it at

Spirit of Truth Ministries
P.O. Box 755
Hillside, JN 07205.

Best wishes

Greg

"The responsibility is with the chooser -- God is blameless." Plato, Republic, 10.

BBBCanada
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Posted 1/9/2004 11:27 AM (GMT -6)

Greg wrote:

quote:
The most interesting response to the book , however, has been personal mail I've gotten from Oneness people. UN-BE-LIEV-ABLE. I've been cursed to hell and back , up and down, sideways and forward , with room to spare! Several letters are dripping with venom. Its really pretty amusing.

At the same time, I have to say that both before and after my departure from the Oneness group, I have met some outstanding loving gracious Oneness folk. I just disagree with them.

I agree. I would even say that they are outside of orthodoxy but would not question the subjective side of their "Christianity." I'll leave that to God.

Some links:

www.altupc.com/articles/boyd.htm
mikeblume.com/onecriti.htm
www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mfblume/drysd1a.htm

Brandon

"Corporations are simply the kind of structure that rises when hordes of people need to be managed, and after spending some time in a large church, I've found that our spirituality does not exempt us from these inefficient and dehumanizing practices."--Steve Lansingh's review of "The Office" at The Film Form

trey dogg
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Posted 1/25/2004 8:32 AM (GMT -6)

I have yet to read the book (I own it) but during early childhood I went (or rather was forced) to a Pentecostal church in St Paul that was a Oneness-believing church. I think that hindered my road to salvation drastically. My father still does believe in Oneness (he used Colossians 2:9 to back up his claim); I'm not sure how my mother stands. I'm sure that there are a few people at my college that do, one of them of whom I know. It's kinda sad, it's like they were brainwashed to thinking that there is "Jesus only".

on the whole, i think preparation H feels good...

meg: chris, you're hogging all the fans!
chris: well you're hogging all the ugly!
(from family guy)

PotOnWheel
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Posted 1/31/2004 7:25 AM (GMT -6)

ON THIS WEBSITE:

Is the Incarnation self-contradictory?
http://www.gregboyd.org/gbfront/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1642&whichpage=1

Christology: The Unchartered Openness Issue
http://www.gregboyd.org/gbfront/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=668&whichpage=1
(This thread contains a series of posts with text from Bishop Kallistos Ware's "The Orthodox Way". Ware recently retired from teaching at Oxford Univ. in England. He is regarded as one of the most knowledgeable westerners re: Eastern Orthodox, in which he is a Bishop.)

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