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ListTank: Theological Trends to Watch

In response to last week's posting of "Rusty Reno's Thoroughly Modern List of Top Theology Programs," I suggested that ThinkTank should have a weekly "Controversial List" feature.  Well, for this week at least, I mean it.  In consultation with Keith Johnson, I've identified five theological trends that I think will be increasingly important in the next few years.  We welcome additional nominations, of course.

 

Five Theological Trends to Watch:

  1. The resurgence of the analogia entis.  The analogia entis or “analogy of being” has started getting a lot of attention, mainly from theologians who are interested in recovering a Catholic/Orthodox way of seeing the world (read: RO and its sympathizers). This trend corresponds with a not-to-be-missed AAR session: David Bentley Hart and George Hunsinger are scheduled to talk about this issue at the Barth Society meeting.
  2. The spike of interest in aesthetics.  Everywhere one looks these days, there’s either a job opening for, a new book about, or conference on “Theology and Aesthetics.”  I suppose this trend is related to the first one, but it’s also related to a flood of interest in von Balthasar.  I’m guessing that, over the next few years, von Balthasar is going to become the most-studied dead theologian.
  3. The “Grace and Being” controversy.  This controversy is basically about the relation between God’s triune being and God’s election to be God-with-us:  Is it proper to say that God is triune for the sake of being with us?  Or should we say, instead, that God’s being-in-Godself is irreducible to being-with-us?  These questions might sound a bit obscure, but they’re at the heart of a heated controversy—IJST has already run a handful of articles on the subject, and next year SJT is devoting an issue to it.
  4. Missional theology.  It’s generally recognized that the church is missional by its very nature, and some of our brighter lights understand that God, too, is missional by nature.  The time is ripe, however, for systematic-theological reflection that takes “mission” as the lens which brings all doctrine into focus (much the way some Catholics have taken the Eucharist as such a lens, some Reformed theologians have taken the election of grace, some Lutherans “justification by faith,” and so on).
  5. The theological leadership of women.  Several of today’s most creative, rigorous theologians are women (think of Sarah Coakley, Kathryn Tanner, and Kate Sonderegger, for example, each of whom is currently working on a systematics).  I expect that, in the next few years, women’s theological contributions will (finally) be recognized in mainstream theology as, frankly, some of the best thinking on the subject, period.  If that happens, it could lead to one of the most fruitful periods in the history of theology.


 

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Tom: The spike of interest in aesthetics.  Everywhere one looks these days, there’s either a job opening for, a new book about, or conference on “Theology and Aesthetics.”  I suppose this trend is related to the first one, but it’s also related to a flood of interest in von Balthasar.  I’m guessing that, over the next few years, von Balthasar is going to become the most-studied dead theologian.
 
 
selah: SWEET! So, I guess I'm not the only one. And I just heard of him from a little bird... amazing.
 
Good stuff Tom.
 
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I'm thinking about Trends 1-4.

Yo. Let me freak some people out really quick.

Tom:
The resurgence of the analogia entis. The analogia entis or “analogy of being” has started getting a lot of attention, mainly from theologians who are interested in recovering a Catholic/Orthodox way of seeing the world (read: RO and its sympathizers). This trend corresponds with a not-to-be-missed AAR session: David Bentley Hart and George Hunsinger are scheduled to talk about this issue at the Barth Society meeting.

Isn't this "analogia entis" EXACTLY what Alfred North Whitehead did with introducing the process metaphysic? Think about it. Whitehead gets to the idea of God but he fundmentally starts from human experience as the ultimate ground. And doesn't the process metaphysic end up saying a) God is not metaphysically distinct ontologically from Creation and b) all creation has some form of "prehension" involved? Isn't it interesting that Doc's theology is (essentially) trinitarian PROCESS metaphysic?

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Tom:
The spike of interest in aesthetics. Everywhere one looks these days, there’s either a job opening for, a new book about, or conference on “Theology and Aesthetics.” I suppose this trend is related to the first one, but it’s also related to a flood of interest in von Balthasar. I’m guessing that, over the next few years, von Balthasar is going to become the most-studied dead theologian.

What's one word that we had been using a WHOLE LOT last year when talking about God's aeseity?

"aesthetic"

particularly aesthetic satisfaction.

Like how God's aseity is wrapped up on God's EXPERIENCE OF BEAUTY and how God's experience of beauty actually epitomizes beautiful experience.

Hmmm...let's go on...

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Tom:
The “Grace and Being” controversy. This controversy is basically about the relation between God’s triune being and God’s election to be God-with-us: Is it proper to say that God is triune for the sake of being with us? Or should we say, instead, that God’s being-in-Godself is irreducible to being-with-us? These questions might sound a bit obscure, but they’re at the heart of a heated controversy—IJST has already run a handful of articles on the subject, and next year SJT is devoting an issue to it.

Remixed Process Style:
Jesus is the human incarnation of God's contingent expression. Just as God made the FREE choice to create, God made that FREE choice to incarnate Godself in human form. It makes sense once you think about it. The human being Jesus is contingent (humanity is NOT necessary) while the WORD is not. (The Word of God is part of God's necessary being) The Incarnated Word is God's contingent expression intensified into human experience! This actually makes sense of how Jesus could be fully human and fully divine, if you think about it. How Jesus is the "very likeness" of God as it were. Thinking of the Incarnation from this perspective, one can see how the one person, Christ, had two natures.

So when one asks the question...
"Is it proper to say that God is triune for the sake of being with us? Or should we say, instead, that God’s being-in-Godself is irreducible to being-with-us?"

The answer would be the latter. Why? 'Cause God's triunity is NOT a product of God's MISSION (Creation and Recreation through the Word. More on this later...). God's triune nature is inseparably linked to God's essential existence. BUT, from a trinitarian process point of view, one could easily say that God's existence is irreducable to "being-with-us" insofar as God has COMMITTED to relating to Creation as God's contingent expression by God's own free choice. One can further say that Jesus is the human incarnation of this "commitment" to relation to Creation and creatures...."God with us"

Oh, that boy's on a ROLL now...next...


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Tom:
Missional theology. It’s generally recognized that the church is missional by its very nature, and some of our brighter lights understand that God, too, is missional by nature. The time is ripe, however, for systematic-theological reflection that takes “mission” as the lens which brings all doctrine into focus (much the way some Catholics have taken the Eucharist as such a lens, some Reformed theologians have taken the election of grace, some Lutherans “justification by faith,” and so on).

Sooner or later, things will catch on.

God's MISSION to the world is for the sake of God's own glorification. God's contingent expression. The demonstration of God's glory. God's mission deals with the expansion of God's reign across Creation...where everything ends up being brought under the Son(who IS the demonstration of the Father's glory!)...afterwhich the Son presents everything back to the Father (whom the Son wants to glorify!). This mission INVOLVES creation and recreation. The Father, via the Word in the presence of the Spirit creates human beings in His image...and the Father, via the IncarnateWord in the power of the Spirit RECREATES humanity...into his image (new people of God/body of Christ). This is why we are called co-creators with God. And what are we to help create? What do the Great Commandments say? What glorifies God? How are people to know that we know God? What is God's aseity again?

Beauty in the form of Love.

Love.

Love.

Love.

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Summarizing...

God IS beauty. God is unsurpassably intense beauty in the form of the eternal activity (process insight) of perfect perichoretic, loving relationality. Meaning, God IS love. God's MISSION is to glorify Godself in displaying and incarnating beauty in the acts of God's contingent expression, particularly Creation and the Incarnation. The Father does this via the Word and the Spirit. Human beings are to be co-creators and embodiments of God's beauty as love. The Word is Incarnated in human flesh and dwells among us as the fully God, fully human intensification of God's contingent expression. Here the necessary and the contingent paradoxically meet! This is also where humanity gets "swept up" into the divine dance of God...through being in Christ...just like God had it planned from the beginning. Christ took our sins and gave us back our true humanity! We were elected in Christ...to become LIKE Christ...people who understand themselves fundamentally as being 1)created in the Image of God and 2) recreated in the Image of Christ, the 2nd Adam. And in so doing, reflect God's beauty to God and to Creation.

Oh. And Barth didn't say it...but I will.

UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION, baby!

ESPECIALLY since, using a PROCESS VIEW, we can conceive of eventual universal reconciliation as plausible...without compromising 1) moral autonomy and 2) divine judgment.
 
It may take people some time to get there...but...
 
It's only a matter of time before things start falling into place.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
This is called "Standing on the Shoulders of Giants...and Seeing the Horizon of the Next Level"

Whaddya think?


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I will go on record as saying this.

When I really sit back and think about everything I've said above...

I can't help but have a smile in my heart.

A really, really big smile.

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MephEternal said...
I'm thinking about Trends 1-4.

Yo. Let me freak some people out really quick.

Tom:
The resurgence of the analogia entis. The analogia entis or “analogy of being” has started getting a lot of attention, mainly from theologians who are interested in recovering a Catholic/Orthodox way of seeing the world (read: RO and its sympathizers). This trend corresponds with a not-to-be-missed AAR session: David Bentley Hart and George Hunsinger are scheduled to talk about this issue at the Barth Society meeting.

Isn't this "analogia entis" EXACTLY what Alfred North Whitehead did with introducing the process metaphysic? Think about it. Whitehead gets to the idea of God but he fundmentally starts from human experience as the ultimate ground. And doesn't the process metaphysic end up saying a) God is not metaphysically distinct ontologically from Creation and b) all creation has some form of "prehension" involved? Isn't it interesting that Doc's theology is (essentially) trinitarian PROCESS metaphysic?

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Whaddya think?

http://www.orlapubs.com/AR/R184.html

QUESTION:   If there is no analogy of being between God and mortals, then
there is no such thing as divine relatedness to the world since God would be  wholly Other and like Aristotle's God, He would be pure thought thinking  itself.  If we posit and have faith in a unipersonal God, we thereby solve the  problem raised by the ANALOGIA ENTIS, and most importantly, our thought more  closely aligns with Scripture when it plainly tells us that there is one God:  He is the God and Father over all (1 Cor. 8:5, 6; Eph. 4:4-6). He is the One  that Jesus called : "My God." Cf. Rev. 3:12.

REPLY:  This is an important issue and succinctly stated above.  Replying requires a discussion of the assumptions underlying the question and those of the reply.  The reply begins by observing that a paradigm, ideology, worldview/viewpoint, or axiomatic framework, is a set of cognitive assumptions.      Instead of saying "You are wrong, and I am right," I think it more correct as well as more polite to say: "In your paradigm, analogia entis is the only way to related uncreated Deity and created cosmos; in my paradigm, that is not true--the only way the LOGOS Creator (YHWH, as inscribed above the Savior on Eastern Icons; cf. Luke 1:43 in Aramaic or Hebrew) could relate to His created cosmos is through the uncreated Energies or in His Person--certainly not in terms of uniting an imparticipable divine Essence with a created finite essence or nature.  The uncreated  Energies are revelatory and participable in a way that God's Essence beyond being is not. Of the latter, all we can hope to know through revelation is what IT is not.

nd of course more...


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Another source to quote:
 
Both Latin and Protestant theological methods stem from Augustine and are therefore founded on so-called natural revelation, i.e. analogia entis and on so-called supernatural revelation, i.e. analogia fidei. Luther, as an individual, had his suspicions about analigia entis but this never became a fixed Lutheran position.
 
The first is based on a supposed similarity between God and creation, i.e. that created reality is supposed to be a copy of God's uncreated ideas. ...

... for the Orthodox Fathers of the Church there exists neither analogia entis nor analogia fidei. ...
 
 
 


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http://www.orlapubs.com/AR/R140.html

IS THE AUGUSTINIAN PARALLELISM BETWEEN CREATED AND UNCREATED CONSONANT WITH THE ORTHODOX TRADITION?

    First, there is in Orthodoxy no analogia entis "analogy of being" or parallelism between created finite being and the infinite "Being beyond being," at least the (for a finite intellect) unknowable and altogether imparticipable divine Essence.  It should be recalled that the Persons of the all-holy Trinity are defined strictly by their relations in the West (Augustine, Aquinas, Calvin, etc.); nevertheless, the Persons are psychologically characterized  from creative reason (the Son), and will or love (the Paraclete).     Thomists view the divine Essence as "consisting" of intellect and the actus purus of existence--both being operative--the Latin understanding of what the East would more properly conceptualize as uncreated Energies.  The Franciscan tradition from Duns Scotus (from Richard of Middleton, Scotus's earlier contemporary) onward steadfastly maintained that "will is the noblest power in the soul" and that "will is simply nobler than the intellect."  This was due not least to the causal efficacy of will.    All Latins, following Augustine, have held the relation of the Holy Spirit to the Son in the divine Trinitarian Essence (His Essential ekpórefsis or procession) to be parallel with the Paraclete's being "sent" (His energetic ékpempsis by Jesus Christ) in the economy of creation.   But John 15:26--the definitive text on the subject, from which the Greek technical terminology derives--provides no such warrant for the Latin cacodoxy; it makes no sense in the traditional Orthodox framework.  The very Revd. Protopresvyter Georges Florovsky has pointed out that if the created paralleled the uncreated, God must never have not been creating and upholding an eternal universe--as the early Alexandrian theologian, Origen, maintained.  It is quite foreign to Orthodoxy to infer that what our finite intellects can know in the temporal world might necessarily or even likely parallel the Being beyond being of the divine Essence.  


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Thomas Torrance ... It was especially Barth that made a lasting impression on his theology, particularly in Torrance's appropriation of his epistemology, Christocentrism, and Trinitarian/soteriological framework. However, Torrance has gone beyond Barth in many ways. The most significant is Torrance's restoration of a qualified natural theology, expanding God's revelatory power back to creation, a breadth that had been lost by Barth's harsh critique against the analogia entis. Torrance's work on Religion and Science continues to inspire a new generation of Protestant theologians to write cross-disciplinary theology, while remaining true to the distinctives of the Protestant tradition.

http://people.bu.edu/wwildman/WeirdWildWeb/courses/mwt/dictionary/mwt_themes_785_torrance.htm


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POW,

1) I think that you remember that there was a Process/Orthodox dialogue that you posted about where you highlight just the difference that you are now talking about. There are similarities and differences, particularely in how the "essence/energies" is like the dipolar element of God in process. Particularly when talking about the superjective aspects of reality. Isn't that right? Also, trinitarian process doesn't deal with "supernaturalism"

What do you think of process anyways?


2) I realize that Barth didn't dig the analogia entis. That was him. That's not me. I can appreciate insights from Barth's doctrine of election WITHOUT agreeing with his take on the analogia entis.

3) The Romanity paper was interesting. This was an interesting part...(emphasis mine)

What is missing in the work of such Biblical scholars and especially of those who work within and under the weight of the Franco-Latin Augustinian tradition, are the following five keys:

1) That the very core of the Biblical tradition is that religion is a specific sickness with a specific cure. This is what the claim «there is no God except Yahweh» means. Not knowing this fundamental first key one cannot know the second key:

2) That there is a clear distinction between Biblical terms which denote that which is «uncreated» and that which is «created.» Not knowing this context one cannot know the third key to Biblical terms:

3) That «it is impossible to express God and even more impossible to conceive Him. » In other words there is no similarity whatsoever «between the created and the uncreated.» Anyone who thinks that Biblical expressions convey concepts about God is sadly mistaken. When used correctly Biblical words and concepts lead one to purification and illumination of the heart which lead to glorification but are not themselves glorification. An integral and essential part of knowing these foregoing three keys is the fourth key:

4) That the cure of the sickness of religion involves at all stages «the transformation of selfish happiness seeking love» into «the selfless love of one’s own crucifixion which is glorification.» This glorification, therefore, is not only that of the Lord of Glory Incarnate, «but also that of all prophets and apostles (sent ones) before and after the Incarnation of the Lord of Glory. » These four keys become the fifth contextual key of cure.

5) That «the expressions about God in the Bible are not intended to convey concepts about God. They act only as means to guide one to the purification and illumination of the heart and finally to glorification by the Pre-Incarnate and Incarnate Lord (Yaweh) of Glory which is to see Him by means of His uncreated glory or rule» and «not by means of ephemeral created symbols and concepts about Him» as is the case in the Augustinian tradition.

In John 17 Christ prays for the cure of the glorification of His disciples and their disciples, not for divided Churches, indeed not for traditions which have not the slightest idea of what the cure of glorification is.»


I think any process theologian would disagree with the idea that "That the expressions about God in the Bible are not intended to convey concepts about God." As would I. (I do like #1, 2, and 4, though)

At any rate, POW, we are going to be on other sides of the issue on this one. But,hey, I can definitely respect your perspective here.


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MephEternal said...
POW,

1) I think that you remember that there was a Process/Orthodox dialogue

I REMEMBER IT.

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3) The Romanity paper was interesting.

YES, IT IS TRULY INTERESTING. FEELS ODD, THOUGH, WHAT HE WRITES about NEUROLOGY. BUT I KNOW WHAT HE'S SAYING, AND THAT PART IS ADDED ONTO HIS THESIS.

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At any rate, POW, we are going to be on other sides of the issue on this one. But,hey, I can definitely respect your perspective here.

THANKS.

 

 


 


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The theological leadership of women.  Several of today’s most creative, rigorous theologians are women (think of Sarah Coakley, Kathryn Tanner, and Kate Sonderegger, for example, each of whom is currently working on a systematics).  I expect that, in the next few years, women’s theological contributions will (finally) be recognized in mainstream theology as, frankly, some of the best thinking on the subject, period.  If that happens, it could lead to one of the most fruitful periods in the history of theology.
 
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Heck... Since nobody else addressed this, I guess I will. This is a sore spot for me, personally. I sure hope more Christians will be willing to consider the input of all people regardless of gender or age in the near future as well... but honestly, by the way things are right now, out of the list Tom provided, this will perhaps be the last thing to come to fruition.
 
Here are some of my reasons... (and please don't see this as a "woe is me" thing... it's just relaying my experiences thus far)
 
Alan and I went on that apologetics cruise last year in August. People were willing to talk with Alan about theological issues (and yes, he's a very interesting person to talk to and brilliant, IMHO :) ), but when I tried to talk with people, join in the conversation, I didn't quite get the ideal response (even though of course I know I don't know nearly as much as Alan about a lot of stuff, but still, come on! Humor me at least). Often I got non-verbal responses that were akin to, "uh huh. That's nice," and most of the women who I talked to weren't interested in talking about the issues that were discussed in some of the lectures we all attended. When I tried asking them what they thought about the talks, many confided they were there because their husbands really wanted to go on the apologetics cruise. Thankfully, I met one person who was at our dining table who was interested in the talks. But cruises arent' supposed to be depressing, are they? Yes... I was depressed and frustrated. Alan noticed how people responded to me, too.
 
In November, Alan and I went to the EPS/ETS conference. We met two Biola students. One was really interested in talking about some subject (I forgot what it was) with Alan, but it was a subject I knew a bit about too because of the talks Alan and I often have. And when I tried joining in the conversation , again I got the clear, "yeah, uh huh. Let's get back to talking with Alan" message. It was so, so obvious. This time I went to the EPS/ETS meeting expecting it though... so it didn't get to me. Maybe it's the blond hair! icon_brows2 
 
These are just two examples... but I also asked a couple other friends of mine and they've experienced a lot of the same things as I do.

I do have to say, I am very thankful of being involved in our church's youth group. When I first joined the team, the youth pastor had already decided to start having us give sermons to the youth on Sunday morning and some of the more mature kids who also want to give a sermon are encouraged to do so. Yay! Also at youth camp, the main leaders decided to have a leadership class for kids who were interested and they specifically asked the adults to make sure to encourage some of the girls to get into leadership, noting that it was a bit ironic that the 4-Square churches were originally founded by a woman, but now only somewhere around 10% of the 4-Square pastors are women.

So, yeah, I think in some circles women won't be as ignored as in years past. But for a full balance, perhaps that will happen in the next generation after me. But also comparing the 1800's to now, it seems that we haven't really made a whole lot of progress, have we? As far as I know, some of the modern-day church denominations (and cult groups) were founded by women back then, right?


 

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May anyone apply:

...there's a common Orthodox aphorism that states that "a theologian is one who truly prays, and one who truly prays is a theologian."

...`The rule of prayer is the rule of belief'; and `He who prays with a pure heart is a theologian, and a theologian is one who prays with a pure heart.'

and

"Preach the gospel, and if necessary use words." - St. Francis of Assisi

 

IN WHAT REALLY MATTERS WOMEN HAVE BEEN VERY "LOUD." THE REST DEPENDS ON "HE WHO HAS EARS TO HEAR."

 


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Sorry that happened to you! I think in some quarters of the Church opportunities for and recognition of women is a loooong way off. But it's nice to see the exceptions too. It's so beautiful.

Tom


 

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