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One Love
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| Posted 9/24/2006 8:07 AM (GMT -6) |   | Just something to think about...
Listen to Doc's sermon this week. (Sept. 24th, 2006) Also look at the powerpoint pictures...
www.whchurch.org/content/page_173.htm
Now...
Read this....
Romans 5:12-20 -- Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
If Adam effected ALL human beings without question...and Paul understood this very well...what could Paul have meant by "justification and life for ALL" Is it possible that Paul's theology was IN PROCESS by the power of the Holy Spirit?
Anyways...
Change is a' comin'...
"All is full of love." -- Bjork
"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them." -- 1 John 4:16b
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Similitude
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| Posted 9/24/2006 7:01 PM (GMT -6) | | I guess it depends on what is meant by condemned. The language is a bit equivocal. If being condemned is mutually exclusive with justification, then the verse would seem to be talking of potentialities. If condemnation is NOT mutually exclusive with justification, then it would seem to be talking about UR. But I'm doubting that such a momentous doctrine as UR would be taught in such a low-key way. But I suppose it's possible.
The change, though, from "many" to "all" (in addition to the overall context) is what I think has to be considered in determining the meaning. I have always thought that the whole section there is being written to account for the fact that sin leads to death even IF it's not a transgression, in the similtude of Adam and the Law-holders. In that sense, I think Paul is saying that even those prior to the Law (from Adam to Moses) were in need of the potential effects of Christ's atonement, because they were also sinners whether or not they transgressed a revealed Law (i.e., sinned knowingly). Hence, Christ's death is effectual for ALL MEN, not just those who have experienced the revealed Law of God.
Much of Paul's earlier teaching in Romans is about the Law bringing KNOWLEDGE of sin. So I think this section in chapter 5 is an anacolouthon (?) dealing specifically with an over-looked portion of history prior to the giving of the Law. This way, Paul can show that the problem of sin and death is due to the Fall, not just volitional disobedience to the Law. And it sets the stage for Paul's doctrine of the two Adam's, etc.
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