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spenlake
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| Posted 1/5/2004 5:31 AM (GMT -6) |   | NEPHILIM – Physical Interaction with Spirits: Then and Now
Thesis:
There was a period in time in which humans had the capability to interact physically and directly with spirits. The Nephilim, the result of a sexual union between angels and women (Genesis 6:2,4) were objective “proof” of the capability of an objective interaction and they existed pre-flood and post-flood (Numbers 13:33). God’s solution to make this interaction cease was to alter man’s genetic code such that he would only live 120 years (Genesis 6:3). The capability to objectively interact with spirits was somehow “linked” to the observable genetic capability of living for mare than 120 years. Once this capability ceased and men lived less than 120 years, the capability to procreate directly with spirits ceased and no new Nephilim were created. There is a direct father-to-son record from Adam to Moses with every man living for more than 120 years. This stops with Moses.
Physical/Objective vs. Subjective
If the thesis is true, all of the promises God gave to the people of promise, from Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were objective and tangible. These men did not simply feel God spoke to them, they saw and physically interacted with Him in ways we cannot do now. Moses was the last recorded Hebrew as having an unbroken genetic lineage capable of this capacity. Moses received the Law of God from angels (Acts 7:53; Galatians 3:19; Hebrews 2:2) and wrote the first 5 books of the Bible containing the promises of God. These 5 books are the foundation of the balance of the Old Testament and contain the promise of salvation and Messiah.
After Moses, man's physical interaction with spirits is limited because a previous genetic capability is now lost forever. Man no longer eats with angels and the appearances of angels is limited to sight and sounds or touches when sleeping. God limits His interaction through prophets who were less than Moses (Deut 34:10)whose words were to be tested against the God depicted in the 5 books of Moses (Deut 13:2). Moses, while commandeding against re-establishing contact with the spiritual world on our initiative with techniques or altered states of consciousness, promises that God will raise up a prophet like himself in the future(Deut 18:9-18) who will bring us words to obey (Galatians 3:16-19). I believe that this great prophet Moses predicted will have genetic uniqueness that will somehow bridge that which was lost.
God raised up lesser prophets after Moses through Malachi followed by a 400 year period where there were no prophets. Next there is an angel that comes to a priest and announces the coming of a prophet before the great prophet Moses promised (Luke 1:9-23). This same angel announces to a virgin that the Holy Spirit will come upon her and she will bear a son. This son is born and is unique genetically. He is not the result of the union of a man’s sperm and woman’s egg. He is unique and claims to be God’s son and even God Himself. This man is God and is the one prophet Moses promised (Acts 3:22; 7:37; Hebrews 1:1-3). God again speaks directly to man and communicates His promises, new promises, physically as a man and not through an intermediary. Real words to real men as in the time of the Patriarchs. We have a time unique since the time of Moses where God interacts objectively with man as a man and is touched and eats with him (1 John 1:1-3). This man claims that His words and promises are God’s promises and words. In addition to performing supernatural miracles on command, this man claims His words are true and to prove it, if he is put to death He will raise up again and come to life after three days (Matt 12:40;26:61;27:40;27:63; Mark 8:31;9:31;10:34;14:58;15:29; John 2:19-21). He is killed and raised again as He claimed and seen by over 500 witnesses. He provides objective proof for the claims He made that He speaks for God concerning the spiritual world.
Before leaving and going bodily into heaven, this man appoints other men as His spokesmen to teach His words. This was done in the presence of credible witnesses who actually heard and saw this appointment with their minds and bodies. The message that this man, and the men that He Himself objectively appointed, was written down on paper and the last chapter was finished by the last of these men before he died. This message contains the promise of eternal life to all those that believe it. It is all we need for life and godliness (1 Peter 1:1-3). It is not the product of mysticism or subjective revelations or unprovable experiences. This is an objective message given with objective proofs to witnesses to be understood by our minds, believed in our hearts, and according to the promises – ultimately experienced in our bodies. This one who claimed that He would be raised from the dead also claimed that His plan for eternal life was the only and unique one. All other claims coming from subjective experiences and mystical non-provable sources were wrong and would lead only to death, an eternal death of suffering and judgment. The final claim of this man is that He is going to return bodily and rule tangibly in this world and fulfill in a physical objective way all of the promises He made and were written down to those who believed in them.
Adam 930 (Gen5:5)
Seth 912 (Gen5:8)
Enosh 905 (Gen 5:11)
Kenan 910 (Gen 5:14)
Mahalale 895 (Gen 5:17)
Jared 962 (Gen 5:20)
Enoch 365 (Gen 5:23) God took him
Methuselah 969 (Gen 5:27)
Lamech 777 (Gen 5:31)
Noah 950 (Gen 9:28)
Shem 600 (Gen 11:10)
Arpachshad 438 (Gen 11)
Shelah 420 (Gen 11)
Eber 464 (Gen 11)
Peleg 239 (Gen 11)
Rue 239 (Gen 11)
Serug 230 (Gen 11)
Nahor 148 (Gen 11)
Terah 205 (Gen 11:26, 32)
Abraham 175 (Gen 25:7)
Isaac 180 (Gen35;28)
Jacob 147 (Gen 47:28
Levi 137 (Ex 6:16)
Kohath 133 (Ex 6:18)
Amram 137 (Ex 6:20)
Moses 120 (Deut 34:7)
Spen Lake
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