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Tom
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http://www.opensourcetheology.net/node/1064

 

NT Wright is seriously wrong

[Submitted by paulhartigan on Mon, 2006-10-30 06:57/]

 

I have come to the view that there are serious mistakes in NT Wright’s Jesus and the Victory of God.

One error is that Wright presents a view of salvation history which is anachronistic at key points; and which fails to notice the difference in the portrait of God in the New and Old Testaments. Wright wants to present God as having had a plan from the time of the fall for defeating evil. The plan involves the selection of Israel to be a light to the world. There are a number of problems with this.

 

Wright says that God’s idea was from the outset that Israel would be the light of nations. But this idea is first found in Second Isaiah, about the mid 6th century BCE, and is a reaction to the apparent abandonment of Israel by God: if God will not restore us to our former national sovereignty perhaps he means us to have spiritual leadership. It is anachronistic to suggest that this is what God intended all along.

 

Further, God’s promises to Abraham, Moses and David were generous and far reaching covering everything that Israel could desire in terms of national sovereignty, prosperity, good health and fecundity. Of course, they were only partly realised because Israel was disobedient, but the answer to that was to repent of the disobedience and resume the promised idyllic existence. What is the inner logic in God’s deciding to develop an entirely new grand plan (Israel as the light of nations) in which all the earlier promises are simply ignored?

 

Thirdly, the idea of evil is a critical element in Wright’s understanding of the divine plan. But evil is not an OT biblical notion and enters into Jewish thought by way of Zoroastrianism and apocalyptic writings in the last two or three centuries before Christ. It is grossly anachronistic to make it an element of God’s plan for Israel from the outset. Also the idea of evil is treated as though it is a straightforward one but it is far from that.

 

I have suggested in the preceding paragraphs that Wright, in an attempt to find a divine grand plan for humanity, has constructed a spurious continuity between Jewish tradition and Jesus. But he is even more assiduous in ignoring the possibility that Jesus rejects major elements of Jewish tradition as found in the Old Testament.

 

For Wright, God is faithful, loving and merciful, the picture of God that might be derived from Jesus. It is important to his overall thesis that God is portrayed in this way, since otherwise it is hard to sustain the idea that God had the same plan of salvation all along. But the OT God is quite different from the picture painted by Wright.

 

The God of the OT is a God of power who throws his weight around in earthly affairs. Jesus’ concept of God’s activity in the world is much more like the period of after the Babylonian captivity, when God is absent, than the period of Abraham and Moses when God is constantly intervening in the world. Wright’s suggestion, that God uses the Romans as a means of bringing down destruction on the Jewish nation in 70 AD for failing to heed Christ, is an appeal back to that primitive God and is quite foreign to the NT account of Jesus.

 

Further, despite his protestations to the contrary, the God of the Old Testament exercised power with little regard for issues of justice and mercy. Sometimes he is deliberate in the exercise of his power, seeking to advance his interests through planning (as when he hardens the heart of Pharaoh or leads the people out of danger or gives them success in battle); at other times his power is vented in anger or pique or is cruelly whimsical. His use and abuse of power comes to a head when Job demands an explanation for the torments that God has allowed to be inflicted on him. God’s only response is that he is immensely powerful and Job is puny. Job’s final words say, in effect, that God condemns himself out of his own mouth.

 

Wright says that Jesus accuses Israel of being possessed by Satan in part because it prefers the path of violence to that of peace. Now there is no doubt that Jesus was against violence but was his criticism directed at the Jews of his own day or the tradition to which they were heir? Wright must claim it was directed at the Jews of Jesus’ own day if he is to protect his version of God and the constancy of his salvation plan.

 

But in most of the Old Testament, God is a warrior God and the Lord of Hosts- certainly in the Pentateuch, Judges and Kings; and also in the Psalms. If Jesus was claiming that he was going to restore Israel, then Jesus’ hearers had good reason to expect that the Lord of Hosts would come in power and might to sweep away the occupying Romans and restore Israel to its rightful place of supremacy among the nations. They could also legitimately anticipate that he would achieve this by the means he had employed so often in the past, a massive intervention in the natural order of things- for example, use of the elements to destroy enemies, supernatural enhancement of Israel’s military prowess, manipulation of the minds of Israel’s enemies to advance God’s plans. These expectations were not some nationalist perversion of the scriptures but their constantly repeated and explicit claims. It is therefore difficult not to conclude that in attacking violence, Jesus had the mainstream Jewish tradition of the OT in his sights, not its current custodians.

 

My second major criticism of Wright is his view that it Jesus is mistakenly thought to have been an innovative teacher of timeless ethical truths. Wright rejects this for two reasons. Firstly, Jesus’ ethic may have had a different slant but it was not distinctively new. In fact everything that he preached can be found in the OT scriptures, at least in germ, if they are read with sufficient sensitivity. Occasionally he asks the reader whether Jesus may have been denouncing the OT tradition as distinct from its current custodians but he rejects the idea out of hand. In my opinion this is mostly wrong but I will leave that for another post.

 

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Thoughts? The discussion that follows this post over on opensource is pretty sweet.

 

Tom


 

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That "Peter Wilkinson" guy is pretty tight...
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Something else.

We think so bad about the OT because we see DEATH all over it. Death of infants. Death of kids. Death of adults. Just lots of death.

So when we see God bring death...we get all "Oh NO! They're DEAD!!!"

But maybe God knew something that people STILL have a hard time believing...

Hell exists RIGHT NOW on earth...and DEATH is a RELEASE from the continuation of DESPAIR in this life.

 
Physical death of human beings was ALLOWED by God as a GRACE...to RELEASE us in some way from living eternally in a crazy-a$$ state!

Where do we think that that FIRSTBORN of Egypt went?

Where do we think the children killed by the She-bears went?

Where do we think the slain Canaanite babies went?
 
Where do we think all of the aborted babies THROUGHOUT HISTORY went?

Where do you think all those children who died in the major TSUNAMI went?

Now...

Is THAT so bad? Once you REEEEEEEALY think about it?

Yo...even JOHN PIPER, a friggin FIVE-POINT CALVINIST, states a belief in a POST-MORTEM STATE where they grow up in the presence of God!

We do NOT mourn as people who don't have hope!
 
DEATH...IS...NOT...OBLIVION...OR...ULTIMATE...SEPARATION

We KNOW that...through Jesus.
 
The sting has been taken AWAY from death.  The grave has NO victory.
 
So why do we mourn as people without hope?


"All is full of love."  -- Bjork
 
"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them." -- 1 John 4:16b
 
"God is most glorified in us as we are most satisfied in God's love." -- the newest mantra of the Evangelical Universalist :)
 
Everything that will be well...is well already!

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Answer this question:

Did Job REALLY "lose" his sons and daughters in that bad "accident" with the house...where they were "killed"?

Or was he just TEMPORARILY SEPARATED from them?

Hmmm...

Our life perspectives aren't BIG enough...

Is that what is means...that we should set our minds on things ETERNAL and not just this wisp of air we call "real life" here in this probationary period?

Hmmm...

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THIS, my brothers and sisters, is why we have to read the OT in light of who Christ is!.

It REFRAMES some things...very much.


"All is full of love."  -- Bjork
 
"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them." -- 1 John 4:16b
 
"God is most glorified in us as we are most satisfied in God's love." -- the newest mantra of the Evangelical Universalist :)
 
Everything that will be well...is well already!

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Namaste said...  Our life perspectives aren't BIG enough...
 
Namaste said...  THIS, my brothers and sisters, is why we have to read the OT in light of who Christ is!.


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Wow. I usually like Wright. I think these criticisms might be too harsh. Even iff the Bible doesn't record the words "light to the nations" until the 6th century, that doesn't mean that it was not God's plan. Further, the covenant to Abraham says "blessing." Is that so far from "light?"

about reading Jesus within his context, I'd agree that Wright does water Jesus down some by reducing him to a mouthpiece for reformulated Jewish ideas. Overall, though Wright is a good theologian. His book with Borg kept me going when my faith was weak.


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From Paul's critique of Wright

"For Wright, God is faithful, loving and merciful, the picture of God that might be derived from Jesus. It is important to his overall thesis that God is portrayed in this way, since otherwise it is hard to sustain the idea that God had the same plan of salvation all along. But the OT God is quite different from the picture painted by Wright."

Ron
If Jesus is the express image of the invisible God and He said "if you have seen me you have seen the Father" then I would think we should begin to understand God through His revelation in Jesus Christ. Trying to paint a nature on God without the revelation of Jesus Christ, who is the revelation of the mystery, would miss the mark. The law was given for a season until the messiah would come. It is spiritual and right but not as the ground for understanding God. If we think the God of Israel in the old testament is different than Jesus Christ then our understanding of the God of the old testament is faulty and lacking the grounding of truth as it is in Jesus Christ. Or if we try and presuppose and project from a human perspective our old testament picture of God onto Jesus then in my view we also miss the mark. The enlightenment, illumination, or awakening to faith is the revelation of Jesus Christ.

In Romans Paul says "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ; for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first (sounds like continuity here) , and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed" Wright says the meaning of righteousness here is "the faithfulness of God to covenant". It is revealed in the gospel. Made known, not that it did not exist previously, but that the ignorance of our mind blinded us. "Being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart."

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent, and revealed them to little children. 11:26 Yes, Father, for this was your gracious will. 11:27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son decides to reveal him." NET Bible

I don't agree with everything Wright says but for understanding the narrative God has given us, rereading salvation history in light of his scholarship is a rewarding endeavor.

Peace
Ron

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