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   Posted 2/25/2004 11:24 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by John Earp

Hi Mark,

A look at the overwhelming majority of various scholarly English translations will reveal that the NIV translation, "sinful nature," is not the majority opinion of the meaning of the Greek term, "sarx." This is a fact.

Blessings,

John E



Hi John, what can I say? If I have my bible over here and you have one over there and I read mine and you read yours and we conclude that we are far apart. Wow… can you imagine why non-Christians just shake their heads and walk away? No wonder we have 34,000 different Christian denominations. By the way I hope MsMe comes back, that is all this was really about in the first place. Well it has been fun, good luck and best wishes to you. God bless, Mark


P.S. Can you throw me a bone now that you have read some NIV, can you please rephrase you're original statement: “ I find no scriptural support for such a ridiculous idea as a "sin nature."
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   Posted 2/25/2004 11:42 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Mark,

As I do not agree that the NIV is correct, no, I still don't find scriptural support for the absurd idea of a "sinful nature." The Bible (even the NIV) says "sin is transgression of the law." Sin is an act, not a nature, or else God condemns mankind for simply being born.



"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.

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   Posted 2/25/2004 12:05 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
MsMe
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But I take it there is no answer to the question regarding "I did not ask to be born" ?

Here's your answer: God made YOU for a purpose and that purpose is to choose whether you will become his bride or not. This YOU get to choose. God desires more than anything that you WILL choose to follow but does NOT make you do so. God is a respecter of persons. I like how Selah said it "God is a gentle-man" Jesus loves you SO much that he created YOU and he is walking beside you, ever calling your name to follow him. He stands at your hearts door and knocks and knocks and knocks and knocks. He knocks because he is knocked out for YOU! He stays there like a lover persistent to win the heart of his true love. This is why you were born, MsMe.

You didn't get to choose to be born BUT you get to choose where you will end up once you die.
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   Posted 2/25/2004 2:26 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
We had an extended discussion about the Augustinian doctrine of Original Sin last summer:

http://gregboyd.org/gbfront/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2182

I should have dug up this link earlier. Sorry.



"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.

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   Posted 2/26/2004 6:17 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by Laika
Do you choose to eat every day?



Hello Laika, I'm curious so let me answer your question.

I choose when to eat.
I choose what to eat.
I choose where to eat.

My choices are limited; sometimes eating is a real time consuming inconvenience placed on my life that I have no choice over.

Peace, Mark
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   Posted 2/26/2004 6:31 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I LOVE to eat...King
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   Posted 2/26/2004 6:08 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by feelinahole

I LOVE to eat...King


Hello feelinahole, Do you like not having a choice in being hungry?

Peace, Mark
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   Posted 2/26/2004 6:43 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I actually have never thought about it. But I do like being hungry so I can eat...because I enjoy eating...yummyumm
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