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Violin for God
Luke, I am your father. --Nooooooooo!!!!!
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| Posted 8/20/2007 5:09 PM (GMT -6) |   | | Good point. This is really helping me out. Another thing I thought about last night as well regarding how this may display the Father's love is this:
The Son is the perfect display of the Father (if you've seen me, you've seen the Father).
Since we can see what Love is by contemplating the Son, we are also automatically reflecting upon the Love of the Father.
If the Son is fully loving, so must be the Father.
But the next question that came to mind was why didn't the Father come Himself? My guess is that He couldn't. But the Son could , primarily because of some metaphysical constraint that didn't apply to the Son (perhaps?)... the Son proceeds from the Father, not vice versa. Because the Son is eternally begotten from the Father, it was the Son who could represent God to us and represent us to God.
Hmm... maybe?  If any of this goes against traditional orthodoxy, please let me know.
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One Love
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| Posted 8/20/2007 5:46 PM (GMT -6) | | Violin: (emphasis mine)
But the next question that came to mind was why didn't the Father come Himself? My guess is that He couldn't. But the Son could , primarily because of some metaphysical constraint that didn't apply to the Son (perhaps?)... the Son proceeds from the Father, not vice versa. Because the Son is eternally begotten from the Father, it was the Son who could represent God to us and represent us to God.
YES.
The Father is the Fount of Aseity. And, in my mind, there's some implications to that. (Patripassionism isn't orthodox Christianity. ) However, the Father and Son are in ONE triune Godhead. For the Son to suffer in Jesus is for TRUE God to suffer. Don't forget John 3:16. This whole project was INITIATED by the Father in a real sense.
"Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."
"Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them." | | Back to Top | | |
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Violin for God
Luke, I am your father. --Nooooooooo!!!!!
Date Joined Dec 2004
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| Posted 8/23/2007 2:06 AM (GMT -6) | | | Yeah, cool. But I don't think I'd go so far as to subscribe to patripassionism. I don't want to minimize the reality of the Son as if only he were only a hologram of the Father, but I think it's also important to see them as intimately linked at such a deep level that causes them to be distinct persons so that they could communicate as we see happening at Jesus' baptism and crucifixion.
Cool. Good stuff! Yeah, you put it in the right words... "The Father is the Fount of Aseity"... right on!
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