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One Love
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| Posted 2/8/2007 3:54 PM (GMT -6) |   | Don:
I tried to tell you this three years ago, but I think folks ONLY got the picture that I was talking about attending a local church. I was talking about the way of worship.
You sure did try to say this. Fo sho.
I don't think that I had an expansive enough perspective to understand the true depth of what you were saying before.
I'm thankful I do now. 
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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One Love
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| Posted 2/10/2007 5:32 PM (GMT -6) | | "You are gods"
"We and our Father are ONE"
Do we believe this?
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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One Love
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| Posted 2/10/2007 5:59 PM (GMT -6) | | The Word of the Lord.
Paul's Letter to the Saints of Rome.
"Chapter" 14
Accept those whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person's faith allows them to eat everything, but another person, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted that person. Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master they stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
Some consider one day more sacred than another; others consider every day alike. Everyone should be fully convinced in their own mind. Those who regard one day as special do so to the Lord. Those who eat meat do so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and those who abstain do so to the Lord and give thanks to God. For we do not live to ourselves alone and we do not die to ourselves alone. If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat your brother or sister with contempt? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. It is written:
" 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.' "
So then, we will all give an account of ourselves to God.
Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that NOTHING is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. (Ex's Note: INACCURATE PERSPECTIVES demonstrative of SPIRITUAL IMMATURITY/IGNORANCE!) If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother or sister for whom Christ died. Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed are those who do not condemn themselves by what they approve. But those who have doubts are condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
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Humanity has ALWAYS struggled with it's own FREEDOM...
and the RESPONSIBILITY that freedom inherently demands.
The Church HAD to deal with this issue...because God's mission is one of LIBERATION.
And when there are MATURE spiritual people with IMMATURE spiritual people...
(Let me say MORE mature and LESS mature...yeah...)
there's bound to be some static.
Some room for JUDGING EACH OTHER.
But love grounds all things...
and ENSURES right-relatedness...
for those who believe.
Faith.
With NO condemnation.
Hope.
With NO despair.
Love.
With NO judgement.
It's time to WAKE UP and GROW UP.
Yeah.
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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One Love
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| Posted 2/11/2007 10:13 AM (GMT -6) | | A thought.
Is is only by YIELDEDNESS that we can become who we truly are.
YIELDEDNESS.
BROKENNESS.
SUBMISSION.
Only a broken, contrite heart before God can RESIST the EGOIC PULLS of self-satisfaction, self-justification, and self-orientation.
Only a submitted heart will be willing to go through the PAIN OF OBEDIENCE for the most important things. (Gethsemane)
Only a wholly-dedicated heart can SELF-DISPOSE away from their own FALSE PERSPECTIVES and open up to the TRUE PERSPECTIVES...so as to move away from FOOLISHNESS into WISDOM.
That's why God desires a YIELDED person the way he does.
God can FULLY EMPOWER and FULLY LEAD a person who has emptied themselves of themselves.
Christ can LIVE IN THE HUMAN BEING AS A TEMPLE then.
Then the sense of "I" is dead...
and only Christ remains.
The Supreme Self.
The Logos.
The Consequent Hypostasis.
"Why do you call me 'good'? There is only ONE BEING who is good...and that's God."
--Jesus
Christ in God. Christ in Us.
God in all.
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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Starkman
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| Posted 2/12/2007 8:34 AM (GMT -6) | | EXOUSIA: It's time to WAKE UP and GROW UP.
STARKMAN:
So true.
It's tempting to ask God to give us all a quick flash of revelation, like He did to the Apostle John, of the telos in fulfilment, of the heavenly perspective (Revelation 4) and of the value of the lamb who has overcome (Revelation 5). Wouldn't this be such a rush for our spirits - to see the reality of eternity in contrast to temporality, of inmaturity (or less maturity) in contrast with full maturity? Wouldn't we all just rip through this world with so much more zest and effort to love God and to love others as ourselves without ourselves in the way anymore?
No.
When I was a brand new Christian, I remember well what my first Bible teacher told me. He said, "You know, I would rather God never show me a miracle and allow me to press toward the mark of Christ without it if a miracle will short-circuit my faith." I never forgot that. How often I have wished for the "miraculous" hand of God to move in my life, and then I recall those solid and sure words of my former Bible teacher.
It's time to wake up and grow up! It really is. It's time to press toward the mark of the high calling in Christ because He's worth it. It's time to leave self behind - leave it crucified with Christ - and really (I mean REALLY) find out what it means to be loved by God, to love God and to love others. In such contradiction to the typical teaching that universal reconciliation can only make one more doscile about evangelism, I have found the opposite true. The more I realize what the love of God is all about, the more I love others and the more I don't want to see them suffer. The more I want to help them while they are hurting now, while they are in their despair now, while they are in pain now.
Funny, but "I have been crucified in Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I" is far from elimination of self. It's not even leaving self behind. To be crucified with Christ is to find fulfilment of our "I" destiny. It is to come into complete alignment of self with the Great Self. It is perfect blend and harmony with the Godhead. It is finding just what the full potential we are made to experience and to live in is all about. What a powerful people we will be if we wake up and grow up.
Starkman
My teacher used to say that whenever he read Scripture, he would always ask the question, "What does this have to say about the character of God?" Working off his thinking, as I read Scripture, I have come to ask, "What does this have to say about the heart and passion of God's desire for relationship with us? | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 2/12/2007 9:56 AM (GMT -6) | | Here, here, Starkman.
If the human race woke up to its potential and destiny...
We could eliminate world poverty...
in a month.
A MONTH.
Yeah...
We are BOUND by the LIE.
And Satan is the FATHER of ALL LIES...
Thus, Satan, that CRAZY OLD FOX, is the ruler of this age.
Makes sense, huh?
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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One Love
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| Posted 2/13/2007 4:39 PM (GMT -6) | | So nice, let's say it twice, Starkman...
Funny, but "I have been crucified in Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I" is far from elimination of self. It's not even leaving self behind. To be crucified with Christ is to find fulfilment of our "I" destiny. It is to come into complete alignment of self with the Great Self. It is perfect blend and harmony with the Godhead. It is finding just what the full potential we are made to experience and to live in is all about. What a powerful people we will be if we wake up and grow up.
Beautifully stated...
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Therefore (YOU) go and introduce all peoples into the Way, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and intstructing them in following everything I have commanded you. (Great Commandments!)
And surely I am with you always, even to the very end of the age."
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