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One Love
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| Posted 7/19/2007 1:38 PM (GMT -6) |   | Just go with me on this.
In Jesus, God has experienced dependent origination (in the natural sense).
In Jesus, the RADICALLY INDEPENDENT, and NECESSARY God experiences RADICAL DEPENDENCE and CONTINGENCY.
Amazing!
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNIty. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to SONship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. | | Back to Top | | |
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/19/2007 1:46 PM (GMT -6) | |
UNISON said...
Just go with me on this.
In Jesus, God has experienced dependent origination (in the natural sense).
In Jesus, the RADICALLY INDEPENDENT, and NECESSARY God experiences RADICAL DEPENDENCE and CONTINGENCY.
Amazing! Which HAS TO lead us back to your statements of "Jesus is the Sanctification of Creation. Or perhaps the recapitulation of Creation's true Sanctity in God?"
Christ SHOWED US WHAT being a "radically dependent and contingent being IS.
(Christ and the Cross are the keys to the whole world.)
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One Love
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| Posted 7/19/2007 1:58 PM (GMT -6) | | I'm imagining a "Fight Club-esque" type thing. God saying the following about God's experience with Jesus:
I'm Jesus' heart.
I'm Jesus' lungs.
I'm Jesus' liver.
I'm Jesus' pancreas.
I'm Jesus' femur.
I'm Jesus' mucous membranes.
I'm Jesus' colon.
That kinda stuff. Weird, huh?
What's weirder still is that it's true.
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNIty. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to SONship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 7/19/2007 2:01 PM (GMT -6) | | God the Son, yes.
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNIty. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to SONship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. | | Back to Top | | |
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/19/2007 2:05 PM (GMT -6) | | | Jesus as TEACHER.
http://www.monachos.net/library/Athanasius_of_Alexandria:_Sacrifice,_Sanctification,_Salvation
Sacrifice: The Incarnate Logos as Offering.
Here is Athanasius’ central doctrine of the Logos’ sacrifice for humanity: that He gave His life as a ‘sufficient exchange for all’; that through His offering of a human death, divine life might ultimately be restored to all humankind.
. . .Athanasius seems to use the term ‘sacrifice’ in its simplest and most direct sense: that of one man’s dying for another. Yet here it is not only a man who dies, but a man who possesses also the fullness of the divinity, and thus One who can truly be efficacious in His offering for the world.
. . .any act which simply forgave humanity the extent of its sin in a single fiat would not produce lasting salvation—humanity might still again lapse into death. The results of this sin had to be healed, it is true, but truly efficacious salvation would require more: it must involve, as well, a change in the very nature of humanity. The divine image and likeness, which had been present in the original creation, had been damaged to a deadly degree as the result of humanity’s sin; thus humanity’s true salvation must involve the restoration of that original creation. We find the how of this concept once again in the essential notion of the incarnation: by lifting humanity to a renewed state of communion with God, Christ changed human nature. He conquered death by death, and then made it impossible for death to ever again have the last word in man’s life.
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One Love
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| Posted 7/19/2007 2:50 PM (GMT -6) | | "Though the temple of Thy body was destroyed in the hour of the passion, yet even then one was the hypostasis of Thy Divinity and Thy flesh."
The "thy" is speakking of God the Son, right?
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNIty. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to SONship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. | | Back to Top | | |
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Tom
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| Posted 7/19/2007 5:09 PM (GMT -6) | | |
POW: Question: "What is the kenosis?"
Tom: I don’t think any of us knows. Best to admit it and go help somebody mow their lawn. I'm not joking Bruce. This stuff is a huge waste of time. You study and study for years--AND PRAY--and in the end the KEY, the firggin KEY to it all, Jesus the God-Man, turns out to be an irrationality. In the end you have to turn your brain off. So let's dump this conversation and start a thread on creative ways to BE loving to other people. Forget all this mumbo jumbo.
Unison: God became a MAMMAL!
Tom: God pooped. The pooping God! He had to stoop pretty low to achieve that! But think of it. Christianity must be right. What other religion has their God pooping? It has to be true! Nobody who wanted to just make up a story would think of a pooping God! Think about it.
Unison: God became DNA and RNA (of Jesus, of course). Wait a minute? What about the chemical compounds in Jesus, produced by Jesus' body when he ate food? God was those, too! I'm not being funny. These implications are interesting to ponder...
Tom: Dude, you’ve already said it before—Everything that is is God. You’ve been saying it for months. Why do you seem so surprised? The ant is God. Jesus is God. Poop is God. Ducks are God. The lamb liver virus is God. It’s ALL God. His existing is the ONLY possible existing. Right? If that's true, then what else is gained by further study? Close your Bible ('cause that certainly ain't needed anymore) and JUST go around loving people--friggin PERIOD!
T
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/19/2007 5:20 PM (GMT -6) | |
MANY said...
...The ant is God. Poop is God. Ducks are God. The lamb liver virus is God.
I'm uncomfortable with these, T.
I can say "I can see God IN the sunset, the spider's web, and the blue mold of the cheese. But they are not God.
imho
(  btw, my bm is not me.
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Tom
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| Posted 7/19/2007 5:29 PM (GMT -6) | | |
I’ll leave you and D to wrangle over the philosophy/doctrine/dogma/tradition/reason/theology of divine poop. But if all creation is the energies of God, I don’t see how God isn’t poop. But it doesn’t matter anymore.
Right now I’m going to do the most actualizing, God-pleasing, theological thing I’ve done since this thread started! I’m turning OFF this wretched laptop and going into the kitchen to tell me wife she’s the most amazing woman I’ve ever known, that I’m sorry I’ve loved her so poorly, and then I’m helping her with dinner. There’s more knowledge in that then all the posts of this discussion board combined.
Dwayne, I might just be done with theology for good. Maybe if I was younger and had the years to throw away. But at my age, I need to start making REAL deposits into my account so that I have something to drawn on come judgment day!
Tom
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One Love
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| Posted 7/20/2007 12:10 AM (GMT -6) | | Follow your heart in submission to The Heart, Tom.
Live in love and enjoy it.
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be One, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be One as we are One— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNIty. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to SONship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. | | Back to Top | | |
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/20/2007 9:36 AM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 7/20/2007 9:57 AM (GMT -6) | |
Peace and Grace to all. Another name change. I know...I know...  For the new name...a new motto...
"Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began." Post Edited (Theoria) : 7/20/2007 10:03:28 AM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/20/2007 10:11 AM (GMT -6) | |
Theoria said...
Peace and Grace to all. Another name change. I know...I know... For the new name...a new motto...
To go with that, here's a definition of Theology:
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One Love
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| Posted 7/20/2007 10:33 AM (GMT -6) | | | Loved it, B.
"Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."
"Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them." | | Back to Top | | |
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Tom
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| Posted 7/20/2007 10:38 AM (GMT -6) | | Well, since folks are changing their names, I’ll change mine too:
PLANIS is Greek for “wanderer,” which is what I am and how I feel. Note my picture; the lone, lost soul on top a desert dune. He thought that if he struggled to get higher, to enlarge his perspective, to get out of the valley to the top of the highest dune he would get his bearings, he’d see more, he’d find his way. But he only discovered at the top of the dune what he feared…
…it’s all desert as far as he can see.
I thought of this U2 song as well.
I went out walking through streets paved with gold
Lifted some stones – saw the skin and bones
Of a city without a soul
I went out walking under an atomic sky
Where the ground won’t turn and the rain it burns
Like the tears when I said goodbye
Yeah, I went with nothing
Nothing but the thought of you
I went wandering
I went drifting through the capitals of tin
Where men can’t walk or freely talk
And sons turn their fathers in
I stopped outside a church house
Where the citizens like to sit
They say they want the kingdom
But they don’t want God in it
I went out riding down that old eight-lane
I passed by a thousand signs
Looking for my own name
I went with nothing
But the thought you’d be there too
Looking for you
I went out there in search of experience
To taste and to touch and to feel as much
As a man can before he repents
I went out searching, looking for one good man
A spirit who would not bend or break
Who would sit at his father’s right hand
I went out walking with a bible and a gun
The word of God lay heavy on my heart
I was sure I was the one
Now Jesus, don’t you wait up
Jesus, I’ll be home soon
Yeah, I went out for the papers
Told her I’d be back by noon
Yeah I left with nothing
But the thought you’d be there too
Looking for you
Yeah, I left with nothing
Nothing but the thought of you
I went wandering.
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Planis
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/20/2007 10:47 AM (GMT -6) | |
Theoria said...Loved it, B.
Tom, you might like to listen to that show too.
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One Love
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| Posted 7/20/2007 10:53 AM (GMT -6) | | Tom. Homie. Patna.
Be encouraged.
Moses wandered in the desert...before he encountered the Burning Bush and it's holy ground.
Israel wandered in the wilderness...before it could lay hold onto the Promises of the One.
David, for a time, wandered acting like a madman...before he received the kingship he was promised.
Finally...
Jesus wandered in the wildness...to be tempted and hungry...
before he stood up and read from Isaiah in that synagogue...
and declared FREEDOM for all...and gave freedom to the captives.
Yes, the wandering.
The stressful, crappy wandering.
Brother, you may just be RIGHT where you need to be.
Be encouraged.
I'm praying for ya.
"Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."
"Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them." | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 7/20/2007 10:56 AM (GMT -6) | | By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
Just be where you're at, dude. God's there.
"Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."
"Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them." | | Back to Top | | |
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