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Corey
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Posted 8/2/2007 8:59 AM (GMT -6)

I don't know much about this, but happened across it tangentally while reading up on the Keswick view of sanctification. Anyway, Quietism seems to me to be pretty much what D has been describing here recently. Does anyone know more about this? Does it relate to our discussion here?

Quietism states that man's highest perfection consists of a psychical self-annihilation and a subsequent absorption of the soul into the Divine, even during the present life. In this way, the mind is withdrawn from worldly interests to passively and constantly contemplate God.

Starkman
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Posted 8/2/2007 11:30 AM (GMT -6)

Corey said...
I don't know much about this, but happened across it tangentally while reading up on the Keswick view of sanctification. Anyway, Quietism seems to me to be pretty much what D has been describing here recently. Does anyone know more about this? Does it relate to our discussion here?

Quietism states that man's highest perfection consists of a psychical self-annihilation and a subsequent absorption of the soul into the Divine, even during the present life. In this way, the mind is withdrawn from worldly interests to passively and constantly contemplate God.

I don't see why , "the mind is withdrawn from worldly interests to passively and constantly contemplate God" need only follow "man's highest perfection consists of a psychical self-annihilation and a subsequent absorption of the soul into the Divine, even during the present life."

It doesn't require self-annihilation to have one's soul absorbed into the Divine.

Starkman

Similitude
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Posted 8/2/2007 6:27 PM (GMT -6)

Unless I misunderstand D, Corey, I don't think he's saying we become "absorbed into the divine." Rather, he's saying that everyone, like the incarnate Son, is a "part" of the ONE divine being from the get-go. IOW, substance monism.

Corey
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Posted 8/3/2007 10:40 AM (GMT -6)

I read that wikipedia article and got the general impression that it was quite similar (after all, D has referenced Eckhart and Guyon in this context). Then I quickly scanned and grabbed a chunk to sum it up. Maybe I didn't pick the best section; it may actually distract you from the gyst of the whole.

"Becoming" or "self-annihilating" I think is unfortunate language, probably reflecting the author's bias. The point, I think, is Oneness.

Similitude
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Posted 8/3/2007 5:55 PM (GMT -6)

Oneness can have at least two connotations, though. It can have the idea of harmonious unity of two or more beings. Or it can have the idea of ONE BEING, in the numerical/quantitative sense. D is arguing for the latter. He is not saying that we have to be in harmonious union with the Father to be one being with Him. He is saying that we are currently one being with Him, whether or not we are yet in harmonious unity with Him. He has argued that most (but not necessarily all) voltional beings will become harmoniously unified with Father over time.

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