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bowedbeforehim
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| Posted 2/21/2004 9:04 AM (GMT -6) |   | Why did God create the world? It seems that any answer to this question will be at odds with the doctrine of God's aseity (the doctrine that God does not need anything external to Himself to be fulfilled and complete).
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borg
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| Posted 2/21/2004 9:58 AM (GMT -6) | | "also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who WORKS ALL THINGS AFTER THE COUNSEL OF HIS WILL..." Eph 1:11
"Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure.'" Is 46:10
"For His dominion is an everlasting dominion, And His kingdom endures from generation to generation. All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, But He does according to His will in the host of heaven And among the inhabitants of earth; And no one can ward off His hand or say to Him, 'What have you done?'" Dan 4:35
"The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things..." Acts 17:24, 25
For His mere good pleasure, for the sake of His glory; not ours.
Borg
"So it is a more glorious work of power to uphold a soul in a state of grace and holiness, and to carry it on till it is brought to glory, when there is so much sin remaining in the heart resisting, and Satan with all his might opposing, than it would have been to have kept manfrom falling at first, when Satan had nothing in man." Edwards | | Back to Top | | |
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bowedbeforehim
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| Posted 2/21/2004 1:18 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by borg
For His mere good pleasure, for the sake of His glory; not ours.
That doesn't really answer my question. Did God somehow lack glory before He created us? Did His creation of us give Him some intrinsic good that He lacked prior to our creation? Prior to creation, didn't the Triune God exist in perfect happiness and love. Did God create us to somehow fill a lack in His being? If not, then why did He create us?
I'm not asking what the chief end of man is. I agree that the chief end of man is to glorify God. However, what is the chief end of God in creating man? If it is to bring glory to Himself, then is man instrumental in filling some lack in God? | | Back to Top | | |
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feelinahole
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| Posted 2/21/2004 2:08 PM (GMT -6) | | | I think God created the world because he wanted to share his love with someone outside himself, not unlike two people who love each other have a children to share their love with. They do not have to have a child to complete their lives. They want to have a child to share their love with. | | Back to Top | | |
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johnmd
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| Posted 2/23/2004 11:42 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by feelinahole
I think God created the world because he wanted to share his love with someone outside himself, not unlike two people who love each other have a children to share their love with. They do not have to have a child to complete their lives. They want to have a child to share their love with.
Bingo! feelinahole
Genesis states it was a good thing to do. And we all like to do good things. God just wanted to do a GOOD THING
John
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PhilTheThrill
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| Posted 2/25/2004 6:53 AM (GMT -6) | | I think writers and poets don't NEED to create books and poems, but their character makes them enjoy creating.
I think God is creative and imaginitive and I think he genuinely enjoys having relationship with his creation.
So, I think it's more that God enjoys it rather than needs it. | | Back to Top | | |
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Wahoo
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| Posted 2/28/2004 10:38 AM (GMT -6) | | Why did bowedbeforehim(BBH) ask the world “Why did God create the world?” It seems that any attempt to answer this question will be at odds with the doctrine of God's apophaticism (the Eastern Orthodox theology that “the negative way of the knowledge of God is an intellectual experience of the mind’s failure when confronted with something beyond the conceivable.” Vladimir Lossky).
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feelinahole
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Tom
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| Posted 3/1/2004 3:05 AM (GMT -6) | | lovedone: Worm, God loves you.
Worm: I know! He loves how combustible we are! FOR HIS GLORY!
Tom: Worm, if your stoking the fires of hell for God's glory is what God's loving you looks like, what would God's hating you look like?
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PhilTheThrill
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| Posted 3/1/2004 11:12 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Clay
phil, i have to disagree, i consider myself a writer/poet, and i can gurantee you that i *need* to create books and poems, it wired into who i am, though i'm not saying that it is then necessarially true of God. just a thought.
-christian
Oh I am definitely one too, I guess I just mean I don't need to to exist, but I do need it in the way you describe. If I can't create a story for other people, I tell myself stories because I just can't help but create. I think God is the same way - doesn't need it to exist, but it's part of his character. | | Back to Top | | |
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Wahoo
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| Posted 3/3/2004 6:37 PM (GMT -6) | | Here's a theory
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Originally posted by MephEternal on the "complicity" thread...
Now, given this information…as well as God's understanding of his OWN participation in the fallen Creation that would result, God still felt that having a Creation with freely loving beings was a better choice, all things considered, than having a evil free existence. If God really preferred an ALL loving, sin free existence, all God would have had to do is NOT create. God still would have have ever-increasing dimensions of love within God's truine self.
But God didn't do that. God decided to create. And the logic is forceful. If God decided to create FULLY AWARE of the ramifications, then God MUST have thought it was "worth it"
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