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feelinahole
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| Posted 2/26/2004 6:58 AM (GMT -6) |   | In response to James White on The depravity of man, Dave Hunt states:
"He claims free will would allow man "to frustrate the intention of the truine God in saving him." Why would God be any more "frustrated" by man's rejection of the gospel than by man's continual rejection of His Law? God said, "I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me" (Isaiah1:2). Was God "frustrated"? Indeed, if Calvinism is true and God decrees all, why is He complaining? | | Back to Top | | |
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PhilTheThrill
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| Posted 2/26/2004 8:31 AM (GMT -6) | | Personally, I would sincerely hope that man's rejection of God and man's continuous propagation of evil would frustrate God.
The other alternative is that it doesn't both him at all, either because he can't help it or because he chose it in the first place. | | Back to Top | | |
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johnmd
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| Posted 2/28/2004 4:48 PM (GMT -6) | | Hunt's book is good. It is a little "in your face" if you're a Calvinist. But still good.
A salient point for Calvinists to address (and to remain coherent in their response) is "Does God hate sin?"
If indeed God hates sin as Scripture declares then the only conclusion one can draw is that God did not ordain that which He hates. Any other explanation diminishes God's glory and renders not only a paradoxical deity but a conflicted and schizophrenic deity.
Ironically for me reading the Arminian perspective was not what changed my Calvinistic bent. It was only after reading Calvin's Institues about 6 years ago that my spirit became troubled with Calvin's God and his distortion of God's holy character for the sake of a sort of pseudometaphysical security ultimately detached from reality and from Scripture.
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John | | Back to Top | | |
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feelinahole
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johnmd
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| Posted 2/29/2004 4:26 AM (GMT -6) | | I have not read White
But I have read much of Pink and all of Calvin's Institute.
It was after reading the root source (Calvinism ground zero)--The Institutes on which all subsequent Calvinistic doctrine is based in the modern era that I was convicted of the fundamental errors in Calvinism which ultimately focuses more on metaphysics at the expense of maintaining thr holy character of God as revealed to man in Scripture.
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John | | Back to Top | | |
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feelinahole
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| Posted 2/29/2004 6:57 AM (GMT -6) | | I was just wondering because having read Potter's Freedom and now reading "Debating Calvinism," I cannot help but wonder how anyone but the most die hard Calvinism could stomach his complete arrogance and lack of humility. White's book is full of his claims that Hurt misinterprets, puts up straw men, I will prove, any clear concise interpretation would reveal a reformed view. It is truly hard to read him. Not to mention that he completely evades dealing with most of Hunt's objections.
For White you are either reformed or Catholic. You are either true or part of man made traditions. You either agree with him or you are in rebellion against God.
Not that Hunt is perfect. He tends to exclaim rather than ask, but he is more than a worthy opponent.
After reading White, I picture him fuming and pacing his room, exclaiming "how dare anyone disagree with me!" He is that bad. | | Back to Top | | |
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