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Date Joined Oct 2003 Total Posts : 263 | Posted 4/17/2008 3:43 AM (GMT -6) |   | I wrote a blog post about the meaning of ownership last night, but my blog broke so I thought I'd see what happened here, if anyone had any ideas. I'm basically at a loss between two theories of ownership, the kind I describe below which I don't really understand and a slightly more pragmatic one which limits it more to "the right to enjoy or to do something with". The problem with this is that I think I see God's ownership of the world as a lot more significant than merely his right to enjoy it or do stuff with it, and likewise when I say I give myself to someone in love, I seem to have a lot more in view than that. On the other hand, more ontological versions just don't seem to make much sense to me, much as I would like them to. Here's the blog post.
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I can't quite seem to get the idea of ownership sorted in my mind, so I thought I'd blog about it again and see if it helps. The paper I keep coming back to is <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=189830">this one</a>, although I have to admit I don't get on with everything it says, I like the way in which it tries to be ontologically real about the thing.
So, what's the problem? The problem is that I want to see ownership as a real relation between people and objects/people and things. I think this is the natural way to think of the world - if I say that I give myself to you, I don't merely mean that I'm giving you a bundle of abilities and rights relating to me, I seem to be implying a much deeper relation between the two of us. Most theories and documents I look at put ownership as a bundle of rights, generally the right to use and the right to dispose of in whatever way. These seem to me to be consequences rather than the actual relationship itself, however.
Ownership is tied very closely to possession - it is, if you like, a kind of permanent and unqualified, form of possession. What is possession, though? and how does ownership extend beyond it?
If I hold something in my hand I could be said to be in possession of it - this seems a somewhat brute physical relation, but I believe it must have deeper and more profound meaning and consequences than that. The metaphor that is used in the article linked about is the idea of an extension of the self. Whilst I don't like the idea of property as an extension of the self, I am more than happy to accept the idea of property as an extension <em>to</em> the self. By holding something in your hand, you are holding it to yourself, and asserting your primacy over it such that it is in essence subordinated to your being and becomes a kind of extension to it. It is ordered around you, it is added to you. If we use the metaphor of slavery, there is a kind of bondage to you that goes on that could take all sorts of forms.
This relationship obviously extends in other ways beyond what the physical action of holding represents - it seems that we can socially construct a lot more relationships than we are able to maintain individually. It is also true that we can claim something as our own without ever touching it - it seems in this case we change the objects identity by a kind of 'intentional underwriting' of its existence. By saying 'you are mine' the words I utter seem to perform a similar function to that of holding the object. It an I form a kind of bond, albeit a fairly provisional one.
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Date Joined Oct 2003 Total Posts : 263 | Posted 4/18/2008 3:30 AM (GMT -6) |   | Sure thing with the PoMo, Corey, it seems to be the way forward.
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Date Joined Oct 2003 Total Posts : 263 | Posted 4/18/2008 6:14 AM (GMT -6) |   | OK, so let's not force the label, but let's explore it...
If we talk about God's ownership of creation, what is it that we're trying to say? The thing I most want to avoid here is to speak of it merely in terms of potential things that God is permitted to do with creation - so long as it's merely potential that doesn't seem to really get anywhere much.
If we likewise talk about our stewardship, what is that?
If we talk about my ownership of a book what is it that we mean?
If I say that I belong to God, what do I meant there? How does that differ from what happens when I give myself, say, to a friend or lover? | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Oct 2003 Total Posts : 263 | Posted 4/24/2008 4:24 AM (GMT -6) |   | [quote]My guess is ownership = the legitimate permission to potentially do whatever with the owned. Like you said, it doesn't really get us anywhere. But that's what we mean by the word isn't it? Perhaps its a relationship of submission then, whatever that means. The problem seems to me that it's hard to really grasp much outside of spatial analogies. If I try to think of an ordering of the world I immediately start thinking about shapes.
I think ownership might still be meaningful in a one person world - if that person has some kind of access to the world then is that ownership? I think it might be. | | Back to Top | | |
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