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BBBCanada
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   Posted 2/26/2009 12:10 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I was listening to Seth McCoy's sermon, Prayer & Patience for Justice--2/22/2009 via podcast yesterday.  Overall, I thought it was pretty much in line with Greg's whole idea of justice where we want justice but we are rathered neutered to get it because we don't work within the system because that would be too much like participating in the kingdoms of this world. And I think of THAT especially in light of an email like this:
 
 
Can Trust Be Restored?
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The Religion and Society Debate                             

17 — February 23, 2009

When the financial crisis exploded last fall and the Bush administration began to scramble with emergency moves to try to head off a downward spiral to a depression, a frequent comment from treasury officials and many economists alike went something like this: we must first try to stop the flow of blood and then we’ll try to correct the problems that caused the crisis. That meant shoring up banks and investment companies with huge infusions of public funds and guarantees, cutting interest rates rapidly, nearly nationalizing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and more. 

Yet, as the economy continues to deteriorate the question keeps coming up: what will it take to restore confidence so people will be willing to spend again as well as save and gain confidence that their investments are safe and that employment will recover? The answer to that question has not yet arrived and part of the reason is that the initial response of “stop the bleeding” has not proved satisfying. As Wolfgang Munchau writes, “Several hundred billion dollars later the financial sector is still in the same precarious position, as governments [around the world] are afraid of tackling the industry’s deeper structural problems” (Financial Times, 2/9/09). Many American businesspeople as well as ordinary citizens are not yet convinced that government’s emergency delivery of trillions of dollars will work. In part, that’s because they aren’t convinced that government will go to the roots of injustice that generated the crisis and may cause more problems in the future.

Let me put it more bluntly. People are not just angry about bankers’ big bonuses and auto company CEOs’ private jets; they are angry that they got taken by “the system”—by banks, by mortgage companies, by investment advisers, and by the government that aided and abetted and gave no warning of the coming collapse. As in a stagecoach robbery, writes Janet Tavakoli, “Wall Street bankers made off with the loot without firing a shot. They were enabled by Washington overseers and financial regulators who—when not beneficiaries of the good times—behaved like ostriches. Meanwhile, news of the fact that no one in the US has been brought to justice has not escaped notice” (Financial Times, 2/5/09). The authorities oversaw and even encouraged the increasing leveraging of debt until the whole country was overextended, leading to the crash. One of the biggest culprits, according to John Kay, was the “diversified financial conglomerates” created after Washington abolished the Glass-Steagall Act that separated commercial and investment banking. The conglomerates, says Kay, “are riddled with conflicts of interest” and their growth “served only the ambitions of the greedy men who ran them and the financial interests of traders, who were allowed to play with sums of money that should never have come into their hands” (Financial Times, 2/11/09). With government having not yet done much to change the system and after several months of trying to prop up all kinds of financial services companies, the hole is getting deeper. Even two months ago, Niall Ferguson could write, the Fed itself “increasingly resembles a public hedge fund, leveraged at more than 50:1” (Financial Times, 12/19/08).

So how can we trust that government will ever get around to tackling “deeper structural problems” and restoring justice when, for now, it keeps working with the same institutions, the same corporate executives, and many of the same public officials that contributed to the economy’s downfall? Where is the justice in continuing to pour taxpayer money into banks that are weaker now than when the infusions began? Where is the justice in government giving aid to the relatively few who face immediate foreclosure on their homes but not helping those who are struggling but who are still keeping up with their mortgage payments? Where is the justice in helping big auto companies try to survive but not backing up trustworthy small businesses that are going broke? In anticipation of the G20 summit in London on April 2, French finance minister Christine Lagarde commented that “the US and UK were so focused on propping up their financial systems and reviving their economies that they no longer regarded bolstering supervisory standards . . . as a top priority” (Financial Times, 2/13/09). If the G20 doesn’t “lay down fresh regulations, she added, ‘we are curing the symptoms and not necessarily the illness itself.’”

There is clear evidence that the world is continuing to slide into an even deeper recession, and if part of the reason is that people have lost trust in “the system,” then continuing to apply bandages while putting off fundamental reforms may only aggravate the crisis rather than help to solve it.

What we are witnessing, I believe, is growing distrust of the American political and economic system, a distrust that arises from a profound, even if inarticulate, sense of injustice and lack of fairness. It is one thing to see a major company go bankrupt or a mismanaged bank go under. But it is quite another thing to see most of the parties in the system—banks, investment companies, the Security and Exchange Commission, multiple rating agencies, mortgage companies, and departments of government—all going haywire at the same time and not shooting straight with us.

If the president really wants to help restore confidence and not continue along the Bush administration’s path, he needs to recognize that his first priority should be to address the structural failures and injustices of the system, bringing to light the bad laws, faulty regulatory system, negligent oversight, and the errant patterns of finance and governance in order to correct them. He should announce very soon that henceforth, on a monthly basis, he will announce the steps he has taken and the steps that are still to be taken to make sure that openness, justice, and fairness will rule. If he does this, then people may begin to trust his administration’s short-term efforts as well. But only if first things come first can trust be restored.
   
James W. Skillen, President
Center for Public Justice

 


Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

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Asher
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   Posted 2/26/2009 5:55 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Anyone read Atlas Shrugged and understand the difference between businesspeople and second-handers and influence peddlers?

The problem is more complex than "the structural failures and injustices of the system, bringing to light the bad laws, faulty regulatory system, negligent oversight, and the errant patterns of finance and governance"

The problem is that influence peddlers, whether in business or in government, have crafted the system so that "the structural failures and injustices of the system, bringing to light the bad laws, faulty regulatory system, negligent oversight, and the errant patterns of finance and governance" is the name of the game. They have made it all a gigantic shell game, and if you have the right connections, they'll tell you under which shell to look for the reward. And the reward will be there, because government influence peddlers have been and are currently in high gear to say who the winners and the losers will be...which is suppose to be a function of the market. And the shell game has become so large and complex and interrelated that very few people are even addressing the right things. For example, all those of you who don't trust the market. Evidently, it is too complex for you to separate the mongrel that we call a market from an actual market. And so, when you decry the injustices of the market, you are only half right. The mongrel is unjust, and now few can tell the mongrel from the real thing, and so castigate the economic system. An economic system that has been identified with the mongrel and then demonized as a whole. Check out this article:

www.owen.vanderbilt.edu/vanderbilt/about/faculty-research/featured-research/lobbying-expenditures-yield-big-returns-for-companies.cfm

Analyzing this dataset of 3,209 firm-year observations, Parsley and his colleagues showed that there is a clear and positive correlation between corporate lobbying expenditures and accounting earnings and cash flows from operations. In fact, on average, company income rose by more than a one-half percent (many millions of dollars for larger companies) for every 10 percent increase in lobbying expenditure.

Parsley also found that the level of lobbying expenditure is significantly and positively correlated to a company’s market valuation and investment return. “The link between Wall Street and K Street is quite compelling, and it gives substantial ammunition to corporate management in justifying to shareholders their investment in lobbying,” he said.

Perhaps even more telling, Parsley discovered that the bigger the investment (relative to firm size) in lobbying, the greater the return. He grouped companies in the study into “portfolios” based upon the level of lobbying activities and tracked their market performance for a three-year period. This revealed that firms with the highest lobbying intensity outperformed market and non-lobbying firm benchmarks by as much as 14 percent in the first year and nearly eight percent over the three years following the lobbying activity.



Republicans as an institution have contributed to the mongrelization, they claim to be champions of the market, and as such should be able to philosophically defend the market and economic system. However, they are tremendously inept at doing this and instead play the game as the Democrats make up the rules. The Democrats are hopelessly unable to remedy the economic problem, because they ARE the economic problem. They are the influence peddlers extraordinaire. Republicans are amateurish in comparison, and so stick to stuff they are more adept at, like foreign policy...?
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BBBCanada
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   Posted 2/27/2009 8:58 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think maybe you are essentially hitting the same nail on the head but in a slightly different way. I don't think there is any contradiction between what you are saying and what Skillen says. Either way, some major things within the system and major players have to be changed and the point I'm trying to make is that it is useless to speak of justice while at the same time never SERIOUSLY looking at what the problem is.


Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

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