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BBBCanada
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   Posted 4/9/2010 12:08 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
www.cpjustice.org/files/orphans.pdf

The CPJ Guideline on Political Community suggests that "a sound and healthy republic is one in which government recognizes and protects by law the independent, non-political responsibilities that belong to the people - rather than trying to direct the exercise of all responsibilities and to satisfy all needs." The State of Colorado is giving public legal recognition to the proper roles of churches and families in addressing adoption wait times for the common good.


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   Posted 4/9/2010 12:22 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sorry, was suppose to say, "DoubtERS" and haters"   LOL!


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   Posted 4/9/2010 2:04 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"...the proper roles of churches and families in addressing adoption wait times for the common good."

What might those ROLES be? I don't understand. What role should churches have in addressing adoption wait times and how does this serve the common good?

Tom


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   Posted 4/9/2010 3:17 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Tom do you believe it is part of the Church's responsibility to care for the poor, orphans and widows?  Even if YOU don't most Churches do.  It's not that they see it as an option (doing it in private) but a RESPONSIBILITY.  One of the ways to do that is what Churches in Colorado are doing. HOWEVER THEY DO IT, one thing should not stand in the way of carrying this out--their religion.  According to CPJ, the government should not discriminate against any religious organization when it invites them to cooperate with it in serving those who seek to care for the poor, the orphans, the widows, the druggies or others in need ie, job training.  This means that there should be an equal public treatment of all faiths with none having the right, through control of government to monopolize public policy and funding for its point of view. This goes for secular organizations as well. Does that answer your question?
 


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   Posted 4/9/2010 4:26 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I agree the Church is about caring for orphans.

What I don't get is what it looks like the phrase I quoted means to say, and that is that the Church has a ROLE in telling adoption agencies and parents adopting orphans how long the adoption wait time should be. I don't see THAT as a necessary part of the Church's calling to CARE for orphans. What am I missing? Tell me what you think the Church's role should be "in determining adoption wait times." Why is determining those times one of the Church's ROLES?

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   Posted 4/9/2010 8:27 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What I take that to mean is that that in part is just the practical reality of adoption, ie., the paperwork and processing of children, background checks, etc.  The other point would be practical as well.  I think though what they mean is that a response by these churches will affect the waiting time that's all. If churches respond? Then, say when they reach zero (which it really wouldn't be zero as there is a child waiting), if there is ONE child needing to be adopted, they won't need to wait (outside of processing) because there will be more churches waiting to adopt then actual children needing to be adopted.


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   Posted 4/10/2010 11:26 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I'm not a doubter or a hater. I just know politicians do throw bones to the constituents WHEN those constituents put pressure on them. What I contend is that if a politician doesn't CONSISTENTLY advocate common-sensically just approaches to policies, I have no reason to believe that they are doing so for ethical reasons when they DO. They may just be playing good practical politics.

During the 80's (probably under Reagan's 1st term) the Republicans talked big about returning to the State their 10th Amendment powers. Never happened. It was just that people were quite mad at the time and they told the people what they wanted to hear. Same kind of SOFA is occurring now. People are quite mad. Politicians all of a sudden act "enlightened."

You can see it all through American history. These things are short-lived because people can't stay mad forever. Eventually, they start "taking it" again when nothing of consequence changes. Read history and you will see that even if postmillenialism is true, there is nothing that happens in the short run that has any long range implications for progress.

But we should make the most of it. No doubt about that. Never relax. Never be deceived by those who "deceive the innocent with praise and well-speaking," as Paul said. The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance from significant numbers of people. It's getting significant numbers to stick with it that constitutes the difficulty of the situation. The further "gone" the SOFA is, the harder is the task, the more numbers it will take to turn it around, and the more one-minded in strategy we must be (because politicians survive by divide and conquer strategy).

The natural tendency is to the path of least resistance. All kinds of things are lawful. Love acts beyond the merely "lawful." Love SUFFERS LONG. Getting enough people to do that with political activism has apparently not occurred throughout human history.


 

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