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feelinahole
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Date Joined Jan 2004
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Posted 4/19/2004 12:26 PM (GMT -6)

Saint: can't say your time here has been pleasant? Were you here in a past life? How many times have you posted, four, five? And you basically dialogued with Joanne? And it was all horrible? What reality are you based in? I would hate to meet you at a party, because you seem to sprout negativity from the air. Lighten up, take some prozac...it may just help...
BTW, I really don't think you are in the position to quote scripture at anyone. Perhaps some open theist has been unloving towards you. Perhaps. But that certainly doesn't give you the right to act that way towards others...love your enemies, bless those who curse you. Even if they are imaginary ones...

1Heart
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Posted 4/19/2004 7:26 PM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by saintpaulrez

Oh, I just realized that JoAnne thinks I'm Eeyore. I'm not Eeyore. But her (his?) post is a prime example of only one of the reasons why I would never be an open theist

I'm not Eeyore JoAnne. I don't know why that person posted what they did and if they were trying to make it seem like it was me, but it's
:)

You're welcome Saintpaulrez. Sorry I mistook Eeyore for you. I thought you were just trying to protect your identity but I shouldn't have assumed so. Forgive me for that. Please forgive those here and at WHC who have hurt you (if you feel they have). I hope that you will seek forgiveness as well...at least between you and the Father. Forgiveness is powerful. Sometimes we have to lay down what we think is right and choose to place love above that. I hope you can do that too. If anything, embracing open theism has shown me even more how important it is to love and pray for people. I want to love as He does. Nothing else is as important as that.

Perhaps you came back just for that...to have an "Open Theist" (though I prefer to think of myself as a believer) show you love. After all (as "we" believe) God is always seeking to minimize evil and maximize good. And He is always pursuing us with His love (which often flows through other believers, whatever theodicy they adhere to).

We are all just striving to understand the Father, to know Him more, love Him more and love others.

On that note, God Bless. Perhaps you can see Open Theists as simply brothers and sisters in Christ, not some unloving sub-culture of Christianity. I hope so.

Love (smile) Jo-Anne Clown

"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."

saintpaulrez
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Posted 4/19/2004 8:51 PM (GMT -6)

Until I see the love you all preach of, I'll never be convinced that open theists as a whole are loving because NO ONE on this particular thread (except JoAnne) has shown a stitch of love or kindness and when I was here, I rarely saw loving comments from the "regular" posters. But maybe I shouldn't assume you preach of love because come to think of it, I haven't seen the posts on love. Greg Boyd preaches alot on love ("outrageous love") so I guess I assume you all agree with him, but your posts don't show it. In my opinion, they never have and I know there's others who agree (but they all seem to be gone now. You all do a good job of running people off when they don't agree with you. I saw it with my own eyes and could name names, but why bother?)

So go back to your debating and forgive me for being a wet and "unchipper" blanket in your little open theist internet community. Nothing's changed much here... not the arguments, not the attitudes. I won't be back and you can all high-five each other now.

JoAnne, the SAME people who've been rude in this thread were the SAME people who were rude to alot of us way back when-- not just to me, but to many people, none of which seem to be here anymore. Hmmmm.... wonder why. I'm sure if you stick around long enough and if any non- open theists are brave enough to open their mouths in here, you'll see it. Trust me. You WILL see it.

Bye.

p.s. Ahole... oops... FeelingAHOLE, I wouldn't want to run into you at a party either because you're a jerk.

John Earp
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Date Joined Oct 2002
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Posted 4/19/2004 8:59 PM (GMT -6)

Visualize everybody being nice.

Visualize everybody agreeing with saintpaulrez/bob/bobbie/Christian.

Visualize world peace.

Bandit2

Eeyore
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Date Joined Apr 2004
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Posted 4/20/2004 1:43 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by saintpaulrez
I won't be back and you can all high-five each other now.

"High-five?" I've got cloth hooves....

feelinahole
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Date Joined Jan 2004
Total Posts : 754

Posted 4/20/2004 5:54 AM (GMT -6)

World peas are better for you.. Evil

Thanks for not backing down...the world can be safer now that you've stood up to these open view baddies... Eyebrow

Saint, thanks for the smile you put on my face today...I just read your last sentense. For the life of me, its hard for me to tell many times if people are putting me on (you know, pulling my leg). You remind me of a little boy you takes his ball and goes home because the other kids won't play the way he wants.

Is there a playground around here...

saintpaulrez
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Posted 4/20/2004 10:46 AM (GMT -6)

Ahole (your name is fitting), in the midst of your sarcasm and laughter, did you not notice that I said several times that I didn't intend on staying here, that I don't want to be a poster here, and that I only initially wrote this to say that I liked what spenlake said? I stated from the beginning that I was going to "take my ball and go home." Go ahead and mock or smile at what you think is my immature behavior. If that's the way you treat people, that's your problem, not mine. I can just imagine your spouse or child coming to you, "Dad, you're being mean to me" and you laughing and saying, "Go take your Prozac and lighten up." Yah, that's a real nice way of dealing with people. Just treat them like losers and idiots so you don't have to listen to what they're saying about how they feel YOU act. Whatever. It's not my problem. Like I said, nothing's changed. Same people, same defensiveness, same rudeness, same sarcasm... all in the name of "God."

Mayflower
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Date Joined Mar 2002
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Posted 4/20/2004 12:02 PM (GMT -6)

.Greetings, stpaulrez:

I love your choice of screen names.
(i.e., St. Paul, Minnesota is one of my favorite cities)....

When I view our brother's screen name (Feelin' a Hole), I always remember:

quote:
"There is a God-shaped hole in every man's heart."
- Blaise Pascal

Beautiful.

POINT:
We do not need to know one another "personally" to ascribe worth & value to our brothers and sisters in humanity.

Are you actually "Bob / Bobbie" -- lurking behind yet another facade? Perhaps.
Your writing(s) have a very familiar ring. However, you are welcome here -- if you come in peace.
Please do not attack Woodland Hills Church; or, the congregation and/or staff.
And, if you disagree with Open Theism, this is your choice. Just as it is our choice to hold our own beliefs.

However, when visiting here,
I (respectfully) ask that you be "gentle & kind" in your treatment of those who frequent this discussion board.
And, in doing so, you will demonstrate through your words and actions that you are truly are not a ghost from the past.

Thank you...
Peace and blessings,
<><

.

saintpaulrez wrote
(to feelinahole):

quote:
Ahole (your name is fitting), in the midst of your sarcasm and laughter, did you not notice that I said several times that I didn't intend on staying here, that I don't want to be a poster here, and that I only initially wrote this to say that I liked what spenlake said? I stated from the beginning that I was going to "take my ball and go home." Go ahead and mock or smile at what you think is my immature behavior. If that's the way you treat people, that's your problem, not mine. I can just imagine your spouse or child coming to you, "Dad, you're being mean to me" and you laughing and saying, "Go take your Prozac and lighten up." Yah, that's a real nice way of dealing with people. Just treat them like losers and idiots so you don't have to listen to what they're saying about how they feel YOU act. Whatever. It's not my problem. Like I said, nothing's changed. Same people, same defensiveness, same rudeness, same sarcasm... all in the name of "God."

saintpaulrez wrote
(to feelinahole):

quote:

p.s. Ahole... oops... FeelingAHOLE, I wouldn't want to run into you at a party either because you're a jerk.

feelinahole
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Date Joined Jan 2004
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Posted 4/20/2004 12:58 PM (GMT -6)

Saint: I certainly do not ascribe what I am saying to as "in the name of God." It does, however, seem odd that you continuely say you are leaving and then keep coming back. I don't understand why. You certainly don't like it here, nor do you seem to be learning anything (if indeed one could learn from an open theist). But beyond that, let us suppose for the sake of argument that I am everything you say, I am the rudest, meanest, most unloving person who ever walked the face of the earth and have done a great disservice to you in every post I have written. Do you think how you have acted has lived up to how God would want you to treat me or others on this board? Do you feel that you have acted in a way befitting the scriptures you have quoted?
Certainly we all need to continuely check ourselves and I, for one, try my best. But I would also ask that you check yourself as well. I try my best to respect all those who disgree with me because, regardless of what they believe, most people have put their time and energy into what they believe. I would suggest you try that as well.
All belief systems, from those that contain truth to those with great error, all have their skeltons. Saint, I would suggest you cut those of us in open theism a break and stop lumping us together in the great "evil" that you believe open theism is.

1Heart
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Date Joined Feb 2004
Total Posts : 1128

Posted 4/20/2004 4:56 PM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by feelinahole

Saint: I certainly do not ascribe what I am saying to as "in the name of God." It does, however, seem odd that you continuely say you are leaving and then keep coming back. I don't understand why. You certainly don't like it here, nor do you seem to be learning anything (if indeed one could learn from an open theist). But beyond that, let us suppose for the sake of argument that I am everything you say, I am the rudest, meanest, most unloving person who ever walked the face of the earth and have done a great disservice to you in every post I have written. Do you think how you have acted has lived up to how God would want you to treat me or others on this board? Do you feel that you have acted in a way befitting the scriptures you have quoted?
Certainly we all need to continuely check ourselves and I, for one, try my best. But I would also ask that you check yourself as well. I try my best to respect all those who disgree with me because, regardless of what they believe, most people have put their time and energy into what they believe. I would suggest you try that as well.
All belief systems, from those that contain truth to those with great error, all have their skeltons. Saint, I would suggest you cut those of us in open theism a break and stop lumping us together in the great "evil" that you believe open theism is.

Thanks you Feelinahole and Mayflower. This has really gotten derailed from my original intent and it has been somewhat discouraging.

Saintpaulrez, I started out showing empathy. I do care that you've been hurt, but I see you being every bit as or even more hurtful than those who have responded to you. Sometimes things need to be said in a loving way and this is one of those times. The board is a place to discuss ideas and learn from one another and encourage. Yes, we're all human and we all react from time to time.

I have a couple of thoughts for you (since I believe you're still reading along). The first is "You love Christ as much as the person that you love the least." Or what did Jesus mean when he asks us to love our enemies? (even perceived enemies)

Secondly I would like to encourage you to take the high road as a believer. Show us what YOU'RE made of. You said you came back to thank Spen for what he wrote. I can appreciate that. That is your priviledge. However I would encourage you to read my original post, then read Spen's first reply and see if you still think the same way. What he said after that was fine and I did not become offended because this is about ideas not people.

Yes it's fun to interact, even rib each other occasionally and sometimes our passions get the best of us...but this has gotten out of hand. This has become an attack and I for one have grown weary of it. The original intent as you may have read by now was to thank a brother for the input that he has had in my spiritual journey through his writing. Whatever you believe about open theists or about Dr Boyd, I am convinced that his heart is for God and for assisting believers in their journey to the Father. All else is chaff.

So, please consider what I suggested way back about forgiveness. If you really do desire to be transformed into the image of Christ this is not the way to do it.

Sinceremente,
Jo-Anne Clown

"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."

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