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drdeutsch
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| Posted 6/7/2002 3:44 PM (GMT -6) |   | In his explanation of Romans 8: 29 (http://www.gregboyd.org/gbfront/index.asp?PageID=482), Dr. Boyd says that in Jewish culture, "knowing" someone was the equivalent of "loving" someone. Can anyone suggest some books or webpages or other materials where I could learn more about this and related topics? Thanks.
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| Posted 6/10/2002 8:29 AM (GMT -6) | | I don't know exactly what Boyd is refering to--I have not read the book. But in some of the research I have done on the concept I have run accross an article by Zvi Jagendorf on the fall of man and the loss of true I-thou relationality: “Genesis and the reversal of sexual knowledge.” She paints in broad strokes the stories of a changed dynamic between those who knew (yada) each other as lovers, in a literary analysis. She purports that Adam and Eve’s pre-fall relationship was founded in a mutuality and a two becoming one to fulfill the purpose of God to “be fruitful and multiply.” Whereas the post-fall relationship is based upon a knowledge of difference, where the lovers become separated into the knower and the one that is known—“And Adam knew (yada) Eve his wife.” Jagendorf points out that yada was not used in the singular form before Gen. 3:8. Previous to this singular usage of yada, the couple know and are known in the plural. From that point on the stories, lies and trickery surrounding sexual encounters of the players who know and are known, plays out the truth of relationships after the fall. True participation in relational knowing and being known becomes a mockery as Jacob knows Leah as Rachel on their wedding night and in the morning discovers that she is not Rachel but Leah.
Jagendorf chooses to analyze these stories of broken relationships and power moves in a metaphor of knowledge that separates the male’s sexual encounters into “conciousness and sense and that of the mind and body. He possesses mentally and physically that woman whose difference he recognizes and uses.” She states that yada which means to know with both body and mind together becomes an irony when the story is told of Jacob who knows his wife with his body but is mistaken about her identity.
Sorry I don't know what Journal the Zvi article is in--(lost my bib. for that paper)
There are a few chapters in Wolfhart Pannenberg's Anthropology in Theological Perspective that deal with the composition of a human from a psychological slant which feed into this understanding of human knowing and being known. Pannenberg tends to go beyond a purely scientific understanding of knowing.
Karl Rahner's philosophy also points in this direction. And then there is also an article by LeRon Shults “Constitutive Relationality in Anthropology and Trinity” don't know if Shults' is published or not.
I don't know how deep you want to dig into the subject but I've been told that this subject hasn't been explored much and there are only handfuls of information out there. If anyone else knows any differently please let me know.
Psalm 103:13,14
Just as a father has compassion on his children, So the Lord has compassion on those who fear Him.
For He Himself knows our frame; He is mindful that we are but dust.
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