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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/6/2003 1:48 PM (GMT -6) |   | For DLW:
(Maybe this link was fixed!)
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/6/2003 3:26 PM (GMT -6) | | For DLW:
(Maybe this link was fixed!)
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DLW
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| Posted 7/7/2003 4:49 PM (GMT -6) | | Thanks Pow,
sounds like you've missed me.
I can't access the pages you've posted so maybe you should just email me copies or something...
dlw
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From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/7/2003 5:26 PM (GMT -6) | | DLW, I had trouble too. For some reason the LINKS I put above added a "<BR>" after the web address. I noticed them and erased them off the Address line, clicked the "Go" again, and was lead straight to the sights.
I think you can too.
Tell me if you still have trouble.
PS. The first (the pdf) is on film. You might like it as it deals with media, culture and the person. The second is especially challenging for me. It challenges some of the nicest things about the Reformed "world view" in light of the most central aspects of Christianity.
Tell me what you think.
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/7/2003 5:33 PM (GMT -6) | | | DLW, I think that a hard return was slipped into the url/un-url bracket. The both ought to work now. | | Back to Top | | |
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DLW
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| Posted 7/9/2003 8:24 AM (GMT -6) | | Yes, I can read them now. I have read the first one.
Interesting, with lots of good quotes. She doesn't really summarize all of Niehbur's five categories very well, but that's okay since she gets the "correct" one right.
The point is that Hollywood is making movies that present very non-Christian themes that are impacting our culture(s). As a good reform person, we are not to passively accept this but try to change it. However, what we should do to transform the movie industry is not clear. She ends up basically saying that by being a Christian Movie Critic, we can guide our fellow Christians in deconstructing the non-christian messages being received in films(at least that's what it sounded to me, I've never heard of critics inspiring better films by what they write.).
I would suggest that, in addition to this, it would be a good idea to instate a progressive tax on the advertisements of films and an extra tax on sequels(to encourage innovation)and the porn industry(though this might be under the weather due to the internet). There are economies of scale in advertising, which means the more you spend, the better the talent you get, the more effective is the advertising. As such, it would take away some of the advantage that Hollywood has over independent film-makers and foreign film makers.
Now I am not sanguine and with the money and star-power in Hollywood, I don't think one could impose that much of a tax, but it would clearly provide some assistance to film-making from "Christian" world-views and, more broadly, allow more people's stories to be told as well as reducing the number of holly-woodish films being produced each year.
So those are my thoughts on the first article...
dlw
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From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
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DLW
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| Posted 7/9/2003 9:41 AM (GMT -6) | | The second essay was harder for me to understand due to me not being ensconced in the neo-calvinist reform tradition, like Pow among other traditions.
I think the dude's basic point was quite simple. We cannot transform culture, capture the gov't, due to how the radicality of the Gospel makes it unlikely that someone who is not a Christian to understand and perceive what is justice and apparently us trying to set up a theocracy would go against Scriptures. As such, we should provide prophetic criticism of the government, partially correcting its wrong ways, and continue to manifest the holy spirit to transform others minds, enlisting them in a covenantal relationship with God.
So the end-goal for political activism is not clear, but it is a must that we do participate, but this is ultimately secondary to transforming people's minds, which may be reform-speak for sharing the Gospel with others and inculcating kingdom ethics among Christians.
I'm sure I missed out on a lot with that, but do correct me.
dlw
Prayer from Kenya
From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 7/9/2003 10:31 AM (GMT -6) | | With regret I realize that time will not present itself to have fun on the internet.
But I'm glad, DLW, that you were able to access those articles. It was my guess that you would find them interesting -- at least in the long run. (Sorry I can't discuss them with you; maybe you can take a bit that interests you and find another venue to dialog?)
Anyways, it seems only fair to say this -- as you went through the work of reading them.
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DLW
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| Posted 7/9/2003 10:35 AM (GMT -6) | | Well fred/Olie or Sven, perhaps you know someone who knows someone who can contact the "superstar" Pow, letting him know that a name change for this link would perhaps help it attract more people so we can get more discussion going.
Yah sure ya betcha,
dlw
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From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
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