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Tigress
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| Posted 2/27/2003 10:17 AM (GMT -6) |   | Iconoclast wrote:
["Yet, we also notice that Jesus totally affirmed the woman at the well who had 5 husbands and was not married to the man she was living with. He did NOT tell her to go and sin no more - shoot - he didn't even mention that what she was doing was wrong. He revealed Himself to her in a very open and affirming way and she seemed to recognize Him as though she had known and loved Him all along."]
She knew she was sinning. That's why she was so astonished that Jesus would even speak to her. He didn't need to tell her to mend her ways. She already knew in her heart that she needed to. His grace to her touched her heart, which naturally leads to a desire to answer that grace with right living. He told her about living water and how that's where a person gets life - not husbands and worldly possessions. Jesus' living water would help her to sin no more. You can't still live in that sin if you're sanctified by grace. Either the sin has to stop or you haven't really been sanctified yet because you're refusing to cooperate with the Holy Spirit to sanctify you.
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 2/27/2003 12:11 PM (GMT -6) | | Good post, Tigress
Icon, I'm going to assume that you know full well that Jesus said to the "woman caught in adultry: "Go. From now on sin no more."
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John 8:10-12 NASV
Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?" She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more." Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life."
The convergence of "Go. From now on sin no more." with the verse following that says "he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life" does not seem to allow room to "still live in that sin" (Tigress).
As Tigress said:
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You can't still live in that sin if you're sanctified by grace. Either the sin has to stop or you haven't really been sanctified yet because you're refusing to cooperate with the Holy Spirit to sanctify you.
Icon, Jesus first recorded words of his ministry was REPENT: "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 3:2). It seems from the above that you want the women to duck that.
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Icon: "He did NOT tell her to go and sin no more - shoot - he didn't even mention that what she was doing was wrong."
Pulling a few carefully disentangled verses at the expense of the whole of the preaching of the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ just does not cut it. Your citing the lack of a few words (which Tigress well called into question) from one passage (which was making its own point) does NOT mean that Jesus did not say those words. (Again, read Tigress' post.) No one knows exactly what was said at any one point. But the message of the Gospel is clear: "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 3:2)." THAT is the Good News.
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faith
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| Posted 2/27/2003 7:22 PM (GMT -6) | | I do believe that God creates rules that are in our best interest and that often, we don't understand his broader intent. I also think people become accustomed to what they're exposed to and allow their minds to dwell on. In our country, sex has this elevated status. It's everywhere. Our culture tells us that sex will fulfill our desires and is a necessity of life. Seriously, that's a huge lie. Sex outside of marriage only creates a deeper void and a desire for more and more to fill it. It also creates a desire for more excitement. We, as humans, seem always to be like Adam and Eve, longing for what is forbidden. It's exciting and seems so harmless and fun. And when it's disapproved of and can be in a secretive closet, it's all the more desirable. It's just the nature of sin. But it builds and builds. What was once exciting is now commonplace so I need to replace it with something a little more risque. I know I'm arguing that homosexuality is the old 'slippery slope,' but I do think that for most people, that's largely the case. And I know this will probably bring a big outcry but, frankly, when you look back at the civilizations where homosexuality was practiced openly, young boys were part of the package it decended to. And if you look at current cultures in the world today, like the Netherlands, it's also what is happening. In the Netherlands, 1 in 4 children is a victim of incest. Our modern cultures are so desperately addicted to sex and it's destroying our children. I think God put limits in place to help us say, this far and no farther. "The wages of sin is death." It destroys us physically and spiritually even if we don't see it while we're in the midst of it.
That being said, mercy should be extended to everyone because we're all with sin. It isn't our job to judge those who aren't Christians and haven't asked us for our opinion. As Christians ourselves, I think we need to really understand that yes, God has set limits for us -- not to be mean and deprive us of that lovely fruit -- but because he loves us and knows the deepest needs of our hearts.
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faith
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| Posted 2/27/2003 8:08 PM (GMT -6) | | I just want to clarify something I wrote earlier. I don't mean to say that those who prctice homosexuality currently are going to become child abusers. My point is that if homosexuality is completely accepted by mainstream society and our culture remains as sex-addicted as it is, successive generations will be so accustomed to homosexual behavior that it will no longer seem forbidden and exciting enough. The generations to follow will still feel that desire to do something forbidden and will look for new ways to satisfy that urge. Historically, sex outside of marriage and homosexuality (addicitions to sex) led to incest and the abuse of children.
God knows the inner struggle of every person to overcome their biological or environmental background. He will honor our efforts. My point is not to be callous to those who struggle with their sexual orientation but only to point out that limits are put there for a reason -- out of love -- to protect ourselves and those who will follow after us.
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