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honorman
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| Posted 4/21/2003 8:07 AM (GMT -6) |   | http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/rbartley/?id=110003379
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anewbeginning
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| Posted 4/21/2003 1:09 PM (GMT -6) | | The man who said "F--- Saddam, we're taking him out." ?
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honorman
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| Posted 4/21/2003 3:09 PM (GMT -6) | | Who said that? And since when does swearing mean you are or aren't a Christian (in that case I would not be one...)?
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anewbeginning
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John Earp
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| Posted 4/22/2003 5:24 PM (GMT -6) | | How judgemental! 
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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Iconoclast
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| Posted 4/22/2003 8:39 PM (GMT -6) | | anewbeginning, that quote sounds like an urban legend if you ask me. Have you checked out its authenticity on that urban legend site?
thanks,
Iconoclast
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anewbeginning
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| Posted 4/23/2003 3:07 AM (GMT -6) | | Icon:
I have the issue of Time which quotes him in my possesion. Not that the media gets everything correct. I've seen no retraction since though. A quick search with hotbot came up with many references to this statement. Anyway, I won't judge the man by one sentence but he shoulda said frig.
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rossfadeinout
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| Posted 4/23/2003 7:04 AM (GMT -6) | | Quick question. Has the issue of foul language, swearing, (whatever you want to call it) been discussed on this board. I know its not a deep theological topic, but it is one that I have had MANY conversations about with Christians. Should a Christian curse? Is it sometimes OK to use foul language to make a point? Does it depend on what coompany you're in?
Just wondering...
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might-be-don
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| Posted 4/23/2003 8:31 AM (GMT -6) | | Another famous Bush remark...
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Microphone Catches Bush Remark About Reporter
Tuesday, September 5, 2000
NAPERVILLE, Ill. (AP) -- George W. Bush made a disparaging remark about a reporter from The New York Times that was picked up by a live microphone.
As Bush stood on the podium Monday waiting for music to finish, he leaned over to Mr. Cheney and said, "There’s Adam Clymer, major league @#%hole from the New York Times." Cheney responded "big time." Both men thought their remarks were off-mike.
Karen Hughes, Bush's spokeswoman, said the remarks were "a whispered aside to his running mate. It was not intended as a public comment."
Clymer said, "I'm disappointed in the governor's language."
Cheney refused to discuss it. "The governor made a private comment to me. It was a private comment, and I don't plan to say anything about it," he told reporters later in Chicago.
The Times on Tuesday quoted Hughes as saying of Clymer, "There's been a series of articles that the governor felt have been very unfair."
Joseph Lelyveld, the Times' executive editor, said Clymer was a veteran political reporter: "His work is both fair and accurate. The Times has never heard from the Bush campaign about Adam."
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 4/23/2003 8:56 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Quick question. Has the issue of foul language, swearing, (whatever you want to call it) been discussed on this board. I know its not a deep theological topic, but it is one that I have had MANY conversations about with Christians. Should a Christian curse? Is it sometimes OK to use foul language to make a point? Does it depend on what coompany you're in?
Just wondering...
Yes it has been spoken about before. A couple of years ago. It may be in the archives but I think it would be VERY hard to find.
Personally, I would have a problem with it if is being used as a second language. But other than that, I would not have a problem with it. Sometimes things are not honestly conveyed when they are sugar-coated.
Brandon
"Mommy, I know now that the terms, 'I'll knock yo' teeth down yo' throat!' meant you'd love me in the special way you do everyday of my life."--Darwin Hobbs
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rossfadeinout
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| Posted 4/23/2003 9:05 AM (GMT -6) | | Brandon,
I don't think you're saying that all communication that isn't "sugar coated" has to use profanity. I know that I have never heard either my mom or dad use profanity, but their communication with me when I was being rebellious or stubborn was anything but sugar-coated!
Ross
I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. - C.S. Lewis
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honorman
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| Posted 4/23/2003 9:50 AM (GMT -6) | | The New York Times fair and accurate? Read "Slander." This is a paper that has supported Democrats the last half century. In any case, I find the fact that the president curses oddly refreshing.
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DLW
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| Posted 4/23/2003 12:01 PM (GMT -6) | | As I recall hearing from some of my fellow students as an undergrad, Boyd does swear from time to time. For both Boyd and Bush, this likely is an old habit from their non-Christian days(You know when they were both were big into drugs and partying and what-not ).
For me, I think it is inappropriate to discuss the status of a president's religious beliefs. I tried to give Bill Clinton the benefit of the doubt when he was president.
What I have problems with is how so much of the world's perception of Evangelical Christianity is colored by how they perceive Bush politically.
I think this violates the need for a separation of the Church/State so that a particular form of Christianity doesn't get too tied in with a particular ruling power, with its great many policies on which faith only speaks regarding a subset.
dlw
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From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
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Paul5388
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| Posted 4/23/2003 4:05 PM (GMT -6) | | Ephesians 4:29 "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers." I would think "corrupt communication" would certainly include profanity, but there are many other types of communications that can be corrupt also. Failing to tell the truth for fear of hurting feelings is possibly just as corrupt as profanity.
Having spent 4 years in the US Navy, I am very well versed in profanity, but later in life, while spending 3 years in the US Army, I never found the need nor desire to use it. Even though we have a society that has accepted the use of profanity, because of the downward path of the various media, there still isn't an excuse for its use by a Christian. However, to think one isn't a Christian because of his/her occasional use of profanity is to totally ignore the fact of varying degrees of maturity being present in members of the body of Christ.
Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Is it possible that the Methodist Church (GWB's church) has failed to exercise the senses of its members to discern both good and evil? A good indication could come from the TV stations in Shreveport, LA who run Methodist (UMC) advertisements inviting people to attend their churches, because they won't tell you not to do anything (no "thou shall not" sermons).
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SeanG
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| Posted 5/1/2003 8:09 AM (GMT -6) | | Profanity or the like has nothing to do with salvation. I slip out a cuss word here and there. Likewise with Bush (43), he may have let the moment get the best of him, but with the amount of prayer and Bible study groups going on in the white house (Bush taking part in some of them with his staff) currently, it is a welcome site when comparing this president to another getting hummers in the white house and sticking cigars up an anal cavity of a staff member.
And although Bush was clearly heard making snide remarks about a reporter – who is an ultra liberal – Christ’s death on the cross is more than enough to wash away this minor infraction… don’t you think?
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 5/1/2003 9:31 AM (GMT -6) | | Isn't Christ's death sufficient to wash away adultery too?
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honorman
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| Posted 5/1/2003 9:55 AM (GMT -6) | | RD: Are you comparing adultery to swearing...
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 5/1/2003 10:05 AM (GMT -6) | | Not in terms of consequences, no. But in terms of Christ being able to forgive an adulterer, yes. He did not condemn the woman caught in adultery. It's a mistake for someone to believe that they are more righteous just b/c they haven't committed the "big" sins. We are all equally sinful.
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anewbeginning
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| Posted 5/1/2003 3:50 PM (GMT -6) | | I sense a disturbing trend of thought in this thread.
"He uses profanity? Whoopy sh_t! Don't we all?"
Sorry, I'm still of the opinion that those who choose to be in leadership, or even in the public eye, and declare themselves Christian need to be held, and to hold to a higher standard. I mean, aren't we, as Christians, to be salt and light to this world? Shouldn't we be different, or are we really not all that different from anyone else? I'm sure God winks at us when we threatn Sodomy to each other. The biggest disappointment I ever had was the first time I overheard my father swear.
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honorman
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| Posted 5/1/2003 7:46 PM (GMT -6) | | We should hold leaders to a higher standard...but a standard of perfection?
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SeanG
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| Posted 5/2/2003 9:15 AM (GMT -6) | | Christ does and will forgive all sinners (who ask).
Bush is regularly involved in prayer, and Bible groups as well as a good church. Bush’s sins have been forgiven when he gave his life to Jesus Christ a long time ago.
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 5/2/2003 9:20 AM (GMT -6) | | Tell that to Bill Hybels and Billy Graham. But what do they know. They don't have a straight line to God's mind.
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adiaphora
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| Posted 5/2/2003 9:32 AM (GMT -6) | | SeanG, your post has been edited. Please do not continue to post inflammatory accusations of specific individuals.
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honorman
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 5/2/2003 10:13 AM (GMT -6) | | I was responding to SeanG's post which now has been edited. So it's now irrelevant :)
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