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ccp24
05/03/01 1:12 PM
women elders
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Womans roles have really changed since the time of the first church and when all of Paul's teaching took place. The Bible should not be taken literally always. Paul says that women should not hold leadership positions above men. By saying this it is putting women much lower and weaker than men. Paul also says that women are to be silent in the church. This teaching seems appropriate only for that time and culture. I beleive that men and women attain different types of gifts to lead. Women are more encouragers and listeners while men are more authoritative, but I do not see why a woman could not be an elder in the church. Woman bring a different perspective. They are in a higher authority but is it really going against the Word of God to be an elder? There are many examples of woman having spiritual authority over men who read them in the Bible like Luke 1:42. Woman can offer such wisdom and discernment to a board of elders. They help compliment men. I want to know why women should not be elders in the church.
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
boydreamer101
05/04/01 1:49 PM
RE: women elders
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Hey, i agree with you full heartedly. I would suggest a great group to you if your not already a part. It's called CBE, or Christians for Biblical Equality. It's a great group, i know that it meets here at bethel every once and a while, if not regularly?! My mom is a part of it, its an evangelical approach to understanding how male's and females' compliment eachother, but at the same time have equal opportunity for ministry and that sort of thing, more than i could explain right here, cuz i'm in a hurry. I would suggest one more thing though. In Joel 2: 28 it says "your sons and daughters will prophesy" This, to me, has a very important implication. That is this. In 1 Corinthians 14, paul talks about the importance of prophesy as vital to edify the church, even above tongues. It is my feeling that if Joel has told us that our women will be doing this, and paul speaks of the importance of prophesy, yet speaks down upon women's role as leaders in the church, well....i guess to me this is a clear indication that his view (on this) was a product of his culture. Prophesy usually means "boldness in speaking" for the lord and the church too! Go figure..its an interesting topic, and i'm sure there are plenty who want to holler out that "women cannot be involved in ministry," but to be honest with you, maybe even more than paul was a product of his times, are these people a product of theirs! peace-adam
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
badlejeune
05/04/01 4:40 PM
RE: women elders
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You should read Gordon Fee's commentary on the pastorals. He shows that Paul is opposing women leaders in Ephesus only; not in general. In brief, he makes the arguement that the false teaching of Alexander and Hymenaeus (presumably elders) was being spread through "weak-willed women" in the commumity. The two leaders are excommunicated and the women are forbidden to teach(the false doctrine.)Paul's general view is what he says in Galations and Colossians "neither male nor female." Also, Lydia in Philippi, Priscilla in Corinth, and Phoebe in Rome(?)appear to have had leadership roles.
badlejeune
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