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fyodor
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Posted 1/21/2003 6:25 PM (GMT -6)

For WHC attenders and others who may be interested in new church plants in North Minneapolis....A logo has been finalized for The Sanctuary which will be pastored by Efrem Smith! Here's a preview:

I can't wait to see how God is going to start knocking down walls on the northside!

p.s. I might be the only geek here who gets excited by logos!

>>>"And even as each one of you stands alone in God's knowledge, so must each one of you be alone in his knowledge of God and in his understanding of the earth." Kahlil Gibran from THE PROPHET

Springs
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Posted 1/21/2003 6:41 PM (GMT -6)

That is Awesome!!!

"When all was over, and the last key turned, I sought my pillow, thankful that God had appointed a season of rest for the weary." Harriet Jacobs

Tom
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Posted 1/21/2003 7:57 PM (GMT -6)

Very cool!

Tom

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BJS
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Posted 1/22/2003 5:13 AM (GMT -6)

Nice work, fyodor! Looks great.

Brett

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graygirl
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Posted 1/26/2003 2:14 PM (GMT -6)

[insert music here]We lift our hands in the sanctuary...we lift our hands to give you the glory....we life our hands to give you the praise...and we will praise for the rest of ours days....YES, we will praise for the rest of our days....yes, Lord, for the rest of our days!

Hallelijuah in the Sanctuary!!

sorry i couldn't resist:)

GG

Electra
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Posted 1/26/2003 3:40 PM (GMT -6)

I can’t wait to see what God is going to do in the Sanctuary!

Your fellow logo-fiend,
Electra

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GregBoyd
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Posted 1/26/2003 9:37 PM (GMT -6)

I am totally jazzed on how God is going to use Efrem and the Sanctuary not only in Minneapolis, but to help bridge the cities with the suburbs to help both. Buckle your seat belts!!!

The name and logo of the Sanctuary are great...

but in terms of communicating biblical meaning and social impact, what can come close to....
(drum roll)
WOODLAND HILLS CHURCH
with our Christmas tree logo!!!!

or have we dumped that yet?

blessings
Doc

"In Christ...the ONLY THING that matters is faith energized by love." Galatians 5:6

fyodor
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Posted 1/27/2003 5:38 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
but in terms of communicating biblical meaning and social impact, what can come close to....
(drum roll)
WOODLAND HILLS CHURCH
with our Christmas tree logo!!!! or have we dumped that yet?

Yes have we? When do we get to know the vote? I just became a Covenant Partner yesterday so I didn't get to vote, but in terms of communicating something, I would certainly have voted to change that one...Can't wait to work on the new logo (hypothetically)!

signed: Anxious in Minneapolis...

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graygirl
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Posted 1/27/2003 7:43 AM (GMT -6)

"but in terms of communicating biblical meaning and social impact, what can come close to....
(drum roll)
WOODLAND HILLS CHURCH"

[laughing, laughing]

GregBoyd
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Posted 1/27/2003 8:57 PM (GMT -6)

Well, 74% of the covenant partners voted to change our name to Bridge of Life. The trouble is, according to our constitution, we needed 75%. OUCH. The idea is that voting on constitutional matters is a way of saying "we are all on board" -- not a simple majority rules. So, we were a few votes short of hearing "everyone is on board."

I have to take this to mean that there is still work for leadership to do on educating people about the biblical (and practical) significance of names. I have trouble believing that someone could understand this, could hear how the name Woodland Hills not only fails to communicate our vision, but obstructs it, could hear testimonies of urban folk and especially people of color being put off by the name -- and still vote to keep the name because of its sentimental value to them personally or because of its name recognition. Or, perhaps some felt some other name was better, or thought it wasn't worth the 10 grand it would take to change it, or just felt God saying "no." Whatever: theres obviously more work to do. It has been my conviction for over 8 years that WHC is not the name God gave us or wants us to permanently own, and a vote doesn't change a conviction.

Perhaps we need to grow more in BEING the vision before all get ownership on NAMING the vision.

I rest in the assurance that "God's timing is not our timing. God's timing is the best timing."

In his love

Greg

"In Christ...the ONLY THING that matters is faith energized by love." Galatians 5:6

Edited by - GregBoyd on 01/28/2003 05:40:31 AM

fyodor
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Posted 1/28/2003 4:40 AM (GMT -6)

1% -------Unreal-------

Well I guess we should maybe start working on a new name suggestion campaign.

How about: Woodland Hills Community Life Bridging Church of our Holy Savior.....Just let it ruminate for a minute or two....

Church of the Red Pill?

Perhaps we won't need a campaign and God will just suggest something. As you said Greg, "I rest in the assurance that "God's timing is not our timing. God's timing is the best timing."

†††"To have a self, to be a self, is the greatest concession, an infinite concession, given to man, but it is also eternity's claim upon him." – S. Kierkegaard

GregBoyd
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Posted 1/28/2003 7:52 PM (GMT -6)

As you said Greg, "I rest in the assurance that "God's timing is not our timing. God's timing is the best timing."

Greg: You DO know I was being sarcastic with this comment, don't you? Free will means that God's timing is relative.

blessings
greg

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fyodor
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Posted 1/29/2003 2:57 AM (GMT -6)

Indeed, I'm assuming, with hope, that your entire post was a bit of a sarcastic rant if you will.....

relative to the point that God could do what he wants, when he wants.....

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might-be-don
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Posted 1/29/2003 4:35 AM (GMT -6)

Greg,

I'm glad I noticed your "wink" in your post that made that statement. At first I thought that you had been able to climb back up the cliff you jumped off.

peace and love, don

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might-be-don
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Posted 1/29/2003 4:35 AM (GMT -6)

fooey on double posts...

peace and love, don

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Edited by - might-be-don on 01/29/2003 09:36:58 AM

trosie
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Posted 1/29/2003 5:53 AM (GMT -6)

Doc

quote:
Perhaps we need to grow more in BEING the vision before all get ownership on NAMING the vision.

I was thinking about the 74% vote last night and I was trying to figure out how to make lemonade out of the lemons -- You know the old saying "When life gives you lemons, make lemonade" What came to my mind is that perhaps(?) the name Woodland Hills Church isn't so far off from the vision of the church? This is what I was thinking about:

My Grandparents owned a farm in Wisconsin that was tucked in a valley surrounded by hills. I remember the voyages me and my siblings would take trudging through the woods to reach the top of one of the hills so we could look down at the valley. Getting to the top of the hill was sometimes a treacherous job yet is was an adventure that we did TOGETHER. Being at the top was the reward for our PERSISTENCE. Visiting my Grandparent's farm and taking the long and windy road to reach their home taught me a lesson about life in that we often times have to work our way, with persistence and with the help of our brothers and sisters, to reach our goal of "Growing In the Spirit."

The reason I brought up my memory on the farm in Wisconsin was to say that the name Woodland Hills could be viewed as that same type of experience. We have to travel through the woods of life, up the hills and back down into valleys, as we together as a church, grow in the Lord. The mission of Woodland Hills is definitely to bring reconciliation (however this is the mission of many churches I know of in the area). The mission of Woodland Hills Church is to reach out beyond our borders to other countries (yet this has been a big focus and mission in every other church I have been a part), BUT the thing that makes WHC unique is the commitment to encouraging people on in making their journey out of the valley. This focus, this mission, is not as big of a passion at other churches as I have seen it be at WHC. What I have observed is that WHC has become so sold out to helping people grow spiritually and emotionally that the leadership has invested interest and resources in having a Counseling Center, a Theological Institute, MANY care and small groups... In my opinion, this seems to be what makes WHC unique and separate from many other area churches. I have never been at a church that encourages people to sort through their questions with such freedom. Not only are people allowed and encouraged to search and learn but the church has provided people a way to do this through awesome resources (classes, groups, counseling...)!

Perhaps this might be a helpful/different way to view the name Woodland Hills Church?
trosie

There's been no responses as of yet andto be honest I was a little bit afraid of posting the above because I know how passionately many wanted to see the name change... Here's the thing, please just know this was my attempt to help see another perspective on the name. I love the AA slogan, "Take what you like and leave the rest."

Edited by - trosie on 01/29/2003 10:54:36 AM

Edited by - trosie on 01/29/2003 4:38:19 PM

following
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Posted 2/3/2003 8:22 AM (GMT -6)

Wow. love the logo. can't wait to see the north side transformed.

fyodor
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Posted 2/27/2003 7:11 PM (GMT -6)

Find out more about The Sanctuary at:

http://www.sanctuarycovenant.org

†††"To have a self, to be a self, is the greatest concession, an infinite concession, given to man, but it is also eternity's claim upon him." – S. Kierkegaard

Edited by - fyodor on 03/04/2003 5:17:56 PM

fyodor
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Posted 3/11/2003 12:26 PM (GMT -6)

For those who have signed up for The Sanctuary Newsletter....Give me some feedback as to whether you've received the first update....I'm working with some technology that is new to me here....

†††"To have a self, to be a self, is the greatest concession, an infinite concession, given to man, but it is also eternity's claim upon him." – S. Kierkegaard

Terry_Baxter
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Posted 3/11/2003 6:38 PM (GMT -6)

Btw fyodor: My home church is a covenant church. The website / logo isn't nearly as nifty.

http://www.arvadacovenant.org/

I think a lot of openness-leaning pastors and fellowships might find a home in that denomination, don't you?

We're going through a pastoral search now, and neither views on openness or the candidate's gender have been exlcuded. In other words, we could have an OV female pastor soon.

Terry

fyodor
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Posted 3/11/2003 7:11 PM (GMT -6)

Amen. Yep. The Covenant is a denomination for those who do or don't subscribe to the specifics of other denominations.

The covenant will basically take you as long as you belive the Bible is central as the word of God, you find new life in Christ, you allow both adult and infant baptism, and are evangelical....

Open theists and women may find a safe refuge in the covenant....

†††"To have a self, to be a self, is the greatest concession, an infinite concession, given to man, but it is also eternity's claim upon him." – S. Kierkegaard

Triskal
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Posted 3/13/2003 8:59 AM (GMT -6)

Does anyone know how the attendance is going to be made up at this new church? Are other churches planning to temporarily split up some of their congregation to help start it?

"In Him we live and move and have our being" - Acts 17:28

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fyodor
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Posted 3/16/2003 11:57 AM (GMT -6)

Actually, I think that in the case of The Sanctuary, the central theme is reconciliation and specifically for the community of North Minneapolis. This being the case, Efrem is in the process of developing a core group of people to grow the church from within the community. I don't believe there will be any sort of directive to split supporting churches to develop a congregation. Rather, the core group of congregants will hopefully be those committed to the vision and mission of the church from wherever they may come from. There is less imprtance on just having numbers to start out than on having people who truly have a heart to actively be a part of reconcilition and holistic healing for a community that really needs someone to address its needs, both with resources from inside and outside the community and people from inside and outside the community.

†††"To have a self, to be a self, is the greatest concession, an infinite concession, given to man, but it is also eternity's claim upon him." – S. Kierkegaard

fyodor
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Posted 4/24/2003 7:14 PM (GMT -6)

LET'S DO CHURCH!

The Sanctuary will have its first service this Sunday night at 6:00 at First Covenant Church in downtown Minneapolis. God has been moving, people have been praying and we're finally ready to do church!

I'm beyond excited about this ministry and the vision that has been responded to by so many. Transformation for the north-side is within reach.

please check out the website at:

http://www.sanctuarycovenant.org

There you'll find more info on the service and directions to the church.
Bring yourself, friends and family, and everyone else you've ever met.

Thanks

†††"To have a self, to be a self, is the greatest concession, an infinite concession, given to man, but it is also eternity's claim upon him." – S. Kierkegaard

Electra
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Posted 4/28/2003 4:01 AM (GMT -6)

We clapped our hands in the Sanctuary!

I'm very excited about how God will use the Sanctuary to bring peace and unity to our churches and cities.

Thanks for the invitation fyodor!

Blessings,
Electra

Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing. ~ Dostoevsky

Edited by - Electra on 04/28/2003 09:02:06 AM

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