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Wislawa
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| Posted 8/22/2001 7:03 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
Wislawa: I did want to add this: much of what you have said in this area is prefaced by the word "cannot." I cannot let it out and I cannot tell anyone. That is a very common feeling in suicide, going along with "no one understands." When one gets so deep in, it does truly feel that way. But you are wrong. There are people who understand, will listen, will hear you through what you need to go through. But you have to seek them out. You have to take the chance and find them. Otherwise, nothing will change.
I HAVE taken that chance, and its landed me in the hospital (on more than one ocassion). this is a lot like prayer, someones experances with early attempts really determine their prior ones. if someone prays in ernest and nothing happens i find it difficult to get beyond this. but if some pray with early success a million failures latter on don't matter as much. maybe we've just had really differnt experances?
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What it comes down to with each suicidal person is this (and this goes with all people who are trying to recover from something): are they willing to do the work? One of the worse things to believe is happiness is easy, that you deserve an easy life. That simply isn't true. Life is difficult is one of the noble truths. We each must decide if we are going to work at life and if we are going to work at life for the rest of our lives. Because growth and healing are a continous process in this life. John 17:3 Harold
far from thinking that happiness is my right, or easy, i think its entirely overrated. i would gladly take meaning over pleasure anyday. happiness is not the opposite of lovelessness.
-Wislawa
for love is strong as death,
passion fierce as the grave.
Its flashes are flashes of fire,
a raging flame [shalhevet-Yah = the very fire of Yah(weh)].
Canticles 8:6
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might-be-don
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| Posted 8/22/2001 8:44 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
far from thinking that happiness is my right, or easy, i think its entirely overrated. i would gladly take meaning over pleasure anyday. happiness is not the opposite of lovelessness.
-Wislawa
Reminds me of the lyrics to a song that the youth group is fond of singing lately... "...it's all about you, Jesus"
Wislawa, you may be a candidate for sainthood. This life isn't about our personal happiness, it's about Jesus.
don
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writerdad
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| Posted 8/22/2001 12:28 PM (GMT -6) | | Wislawa: if you talking about Ecclesiastes, I would simply suggest that all the scholars I have read believe that it is a book that points out the meaninglessness of life and, as such, is not meant to endorse the view it is protraying. In that sense, it shows how meaningless life is without God (as chapter 12 sums up). Even given its downbeat attitude, it never endorses suicide as an alternative to life.
I would suggest, if you are truly interested, in checking different churches who have suicide hotlines, or local ministies. Many have people who work for free, or on sliding scales. For instance, our local Catholic church has counselors who work for anything or nothing. Its your life, you have to find them. If you are afraid, join the club. I've had the experience of rejection time and again of opening up, only to never seeing the person again (and most were Christians, no less). You find them by looking. But, I easily admit, it is a hard road. The church is very judgmental if you don't fit the mold. But in it I have found Christians who are loving, trusting and want to love as Jesus did. John 17:3 Harold
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