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BJS
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| Posted 5/23/2003 8:39 AM (GMT -6) |   | Not too long ago, in some discussions we were all having regarding abortion and the definition of life, Empiress (with Doc) offered quite an interesting proposal for defining life. In essence, the position was that we should define the beginning of life the same way we currently define death---which is the absence of measurable brain waves (I think I'm remembering that right).
In light of that conversation, I would be intrigued to know what Empiress and Doc (and any interested others) thought of this recent article written by a professor of neurobiology at the Univ. of Utah. Take a look and let me know. I'm very interested in your thoughts on it.
Life: Defining the Beginning By the End
Brett
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DLW
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| Posted 5/23/2003 8:56 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Not too long ago, in some discussions we were all having regarding abortion and the definition of life, Empiress (with Doc) offered quite an interesting proposal for defining life. In essence, the position was that we should define the beginning of life the same way we currently define death---which is the absence of measurable brain waves (I think I'm remembering that right).
In light of that conversation, I would be intrigued to know what Empiress and Doc (and any interested others) thought of this recent article written by a professor of neurobiology at the Univ. of Utah. It makes something of the same point, but arrives at a different conclusion. Take a look and let me know. I'm very interested in your thoughts on it.
Life: Defining the Beginning By the End
We are discussing this in the problem of evil abortion link. Why don't you repost it there and we can continue it there.
I think I make the same point as Boyd and Empress about the utility of considering our beliefs regarding when human life ends wrt when we define human life as beginning.
dlw
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BJS
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| Posted 5/23/2003 9:18 AM (GMT -6) | | DLW, I'm asking you kindly to please stop harassing people about where they decide to post threads. Whatever these control issues are that you have, I don't know, but you are only interrupting substantive conversation by continuing to behave this way.
Brett
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 5/23/2003 11:04 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
DLW, I'm asking you kindly to please stop harassing people about where they decide to post threads. Whatever these control issues are that you have, I don't know, but you are only interrupting substantive conversation by continuing to behave this way.
Brett
I think the trend is there, DLW. Not to patronize or anything, but I've viewed this with the "working assumption" that you are homesick for your native culture, and wanted to get as much on a handle on something from "back home." (Again, I'm not saying that is correct--but something has to explain "it.")
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DLW
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| Posted 5/23/2003 3:09 PM (GMT -6) | | Brett,
I did not mean to harass you. I just think that having one abortion link is a good idea and so it would've been good to post in the current one. I would like for the feedback to build into the links that are ongoing in the one that I started. So yes my selfishness or personal conceit played an important role in this and other manipulations. My bad.
I don't plan on harassing anyone anymore regarding where they post, anymore.
dlw
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From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
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BJS
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| Posted 5/24/2003 1:45 PM (GMT -6) | | Doc and Empiress, get over here and check this out!
Brett
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DLW
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| Posted 5/24/2003 2:27 PM (GMT -6) | | Then, get over to the link in the problem of evil forum to give me feedback on my idea for a gradualist political method for changing the legal definition of when human life begins.
dlw
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 5/26/2003 9:54 AM (GMT -6) | | Brett,
Upon a quick scan, the author seems to give a functional definition of death, therefore we should say that life begins on this basis as well. I myself disagree with this.
Eitherway, the article starts off talking about how society can't come to a consensus as to the beginning of life, I doubt that Ms. Condic's spiel is going to help any.
Bottomline is as I said before, if we are THAT UNSURE about whether a prebrain wave embryo is a person, then why take the chance and kill it?
Brandon
Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you! See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands; your walls are ever before me.--Isa 49:15-16
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DLW
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| Posted 5/26/2003 12:07 PM (GMT -6) | | We do accept the laws governing when human life ends and the criterion used to determine this are respected.
I don't think the analogy is perfect and will lead to a consensus. But it may be useful for convincing some that believe human life begins at birth to reconsider their viewpoints.
dlw
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