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pia†desideria
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| Posted 8/27/2001 2:20 AM (GMT -6) |   | Meph: Was this real enough for you, Pia?
pia: Yep. Can’t say it went down easy, but it was good stuff.
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Cibertus
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| Posted 8/27/2001 4:15 AM (GMT -6) | | Graygirl: Ya hear me?! --that's all I wanted. Thanks.
Mephi: Like usual, I don't get what 'sup with you. Must be seeing something I'm not. Sounded alright though.
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graygirl
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| Posted 8/27/2001 5:01 AM (GMT -6) | |
hey meph...i guess when you come wit it..you come WIT IT!.....i'm over here tryin' not to hurt folks feelings..holding back and you tore the doors right off the hinges..LOL...i agree with you though....
i don't know how many of these conversations i've been a part of....at the end of the day Christ has called us to the impossible...radical and countercultural....this issue more than most has been a thorn in my side....yet i can't stop, you know?...there lives in me a small glimmer of hope though...not because i have any faith in man (especially believers- we seem to be the most misinformed group- nothing personal here people, i include myself) but because I know how God has changed me...stubborn, angry me...i know how he set me free one unsuspecting day....we're all in progress...I believe in Christ and his ability to move any mountain, tear down any wall, melt any hardened heart...that's it, that's all......you could tell me about what I'm suppose to do as a believer, that I'm a bridge, etc. etc. Been there. Tried that.Wasn't enough. Genuine heart change has to happen first...no amount of conversating, obligating will bring that magical, irrefutable change that comes in the life of a believer, that is available to a believer...Lord Jesus help yo children....
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Triskal
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| Posted 8/27/2001 7:14 AM (GMT -6) | | I hope everyone realizes that discrimination goes way beyond just the color of skin. It happens at all levels, even within races. In our culture we discriminate against the obese, stupid, ugly, crippled, old, young, nerdy, jocky, rich, poor, short, tall, and the list goes on and on. This type of discrimination happens within our schools, homes, and even churches. Yet some of us choose not to pay any attention to it, not even considering it discrimination. EVERYONE is different in some way, and EVERYONE must deal with discrimination at one level or another. I don't believe there's a person in this world who doesn't feel that there are others unlike them who will never be able to understand what they're going through. America needs to wake up and realize that if we're going to deal with discrimination, we can't just deal with it in regards to the color of skin.
In His Grip,
Matt
"In Him we live and move and have our being" - Acts 17:28
Edited by - Triskal on 08/27/2001 12:18:27 PM
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geej
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| Posted 8/27/2001 12:57 PM (GMT -6) | | Mephi
You couldn't have stated my feelings about this matter more perfectly...only you said it more bluntly. Thank you.
Geej
PS: Can you see my conflictedness in believing that we all suck and our history sucks while at the same time believing that God created us perfectly and that he doesn't make mistakes? 
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trosie
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| Posted 8/27/2001 6:32 PM (GMT -6) | | Memphi:"Everyone's had their share of crud thrown on them"
Triskal:"I hope everyone realizes that discrimination goes way beyond just the color of skin. It happens at all levels, even within races"
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!(THREE Amens because I am a member of the THREENESS cult  )
I believe the fact that we've all had our share of discrimination (crud) in one way or other is where we can empathize and appreciate one another's plights a bit.
trosie
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Springs
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| Posted 8/27/2001 7:21 PM (GMT -6) | | Yo Mephi!!!
I don't mind your ranting. I was surprised you didn't jump in sooner, but I know you've been busy. I like what you had to say. It was right on. I read the first part of your thread. Up to the part where you said THREE
things, then I just posted it to the THREE
thread, and didn't get back to readin' but it looks good hope to get through it soon.
be blessed
Springs
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aranjuez
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| Posted 8/28/2001 9:59 AM (GMT -6) | | [quote]
I hope everyone realizes that discrimination goes way beyond just the color of skin. It happens at all levels, even within races. In our culture we discriminate against the obese, stupid, ugly, crippled, old, young, nerdy, jocky, rich, poor, short, tall, and the list goes on and on. This type of discrimination happens within our schools, homes, and even churches. Yet some of us choose not to pay any attention to it, not even considering it discrimination. EVERYONE is different in some way, and EVERYONE must deal with discrimination at one level or another. I don't believe there's a person in this world who doesn't feel that there are others unlike them who will never be able to understand what they're going through. America needs to wake up and realize that if we're going to deal with discrimination, we can't just deal with it in regards to the color of skin.
In His Grip,
Matt
Aranjuez:
Yes, Matt we all feel some type of discrimination, and it is wrong, and sinfull. However when we talk about racial discrimmination, we are facing a deep spiritual problem that has gripped countries, cultures, and people groups for centuries, and it still does. It is racial hatred, it is evil and wrong and has affected us in the spiritual realm more than we are aware of. Just to say that "all of us experience some kind of discrimination, so let's move on" is not dealing with the core of the issue of racism.
Bily Graham has said: "Racial and ethnic hostility is the foremost social problem facing our world today. From the systematic horror of "ethnic cleansing" in Bosnia to the random violence ravaging our inner cities, our world seems caught in a tidal wave of racial and ethnic tension."
Racial prejudice was there when the emperor of Rome ordered the execution of Christians...
Racial prejudice was the root of the evil of the Holocaust
Racial hatred "justified" stealing people from their homes and families in Africa and bringing them to the United States as slaves...
Racial prejudice was there when the natives of Central and South America were tortured and robbed of everything they owned by the Spanish "conquistadores"
And racism still exits and is causing pain in our churches today.
What I am saying is that, racism is a sin problem, and that the church needs to be intentional in our desire to overcome it. Pastor Greg Boyd preached an inspired sermon on this last sunday. WE must build bridges, take steps of faith, each one of us in our daily lives. These bridges must have a foundation of prayer and fasting. In the Bible, in Nehemiah 1:6-7, we find a Biblical precedent to this attitude: "Let your ear be attentive and Your eyes open to hear the prayer your servant is praying before you day and night for your servants, the people of Israel. I confess the sins we Israelites, including myself and my father's house, have committed agaisnt you..."
Perhaps the significance of this passage is because God knows that sins of the past often continue to impact the present until repentance happens. I believe that we are experiencing the consequences of the sins of the past, and that we as Christians are called to be instruments of reconciliation.
Aranjuez
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GregBoyd
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| Posted 8/28/2001 4:32 PM (GMT -6) | | TO Aranjuez
AMEN!!!
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geej
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| Posted 8/28/2001 4:49 PM (GMT -6) | |
Aren't all forms of hatred equally sinful? This might sound stupid and naive but I wish we as a church could focus not on one form of hatered but all forms of it. Racism is one of our biggest problems but so is child abuse, so is the alienation of people who come to churches and don't meet the "standard" of the church, so is not giving up your seat for the 90 year old person who has to stand on the bus and, of course, what about the child/person who makes fun of a kid who happens to have a disability? We as a nation can be pretty insensitive, self-serving and hateful. It seems as though it is just our general state of finite fallibility. In general, we as a society seek our victims and torment them. Some oppressions are more acceptable than others. We focus on the biggies and forget the smaller forms of hatered. They are ALL wrong; they all hurt an alienate someone. Christians should be working to help all of the hurting and all of the needy within the confines of their ministries. Of course, some churches may specialize in certain areas. I just hope that we remember that hatred exists in many forms and all are wrong and we should be praying to end all forms of hatred.
GJ
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Springs
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| Posted 8/28/2001 4:50 PM (GMT -6) | | Good point Triskal.
Fantastic post Aranjuez. That one ranks right up there with the one the Doc did on the previous page. Lots of good stuff here.
-S
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Triskal
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| Posted 8/28/2001 5:29 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Yes, Matt we all feel some type of discrimination, and it is wrong, and sinfull. However when we talk about racial discrimmination, we are facing a deep spiritual problem that has gripped countries, cultures, and people groups for centuries, and it still does. It is racial hatred, it is evil and wrong and has affected us in the spiritual realm more than we are aware of. Just to say that "all of us experience some kind of discrimination, so let's move on" is not dealing with the core of the issue of racism.
There is a VERY slim difference between racial discrimination and physical and mental discrimination. Frank Peretti, one of the greatest Christian authors of our day, recently wrote his first non-fiction book entitled The Wounded Spirit. It's the story of how he was discriminated against as a young child for a disability that he had. He would get teased, made fun of, pushed around, and violently abused by fellow students as well as teachers at school. How does this differ from racial discrimination? What do you think led those two boys to shoot up Columbine? It was discrimination against them, they were considered to be "nerds". Notice how they were putting all their efforts towards getting revenge on the jocks and judgemental christians in their school? I suggest you pick up a copy of Mr. Peretti's book. It will help you understand this gripping problem that has been around for as long as racial discrimination, and is equally--if not more--dangerous.
In His Grip,
Matt
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