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graygirl
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| Posted 2/24/2003 9:51 AM (GMT -6) |   | I don't know if ppl would be interested in talking about this but I have been consumed with Campolo's book Wake Up America.
I've really been digging his message about breaking out of the consumeristic mentality that is soooo steeped in American culture. i've really been challenged with his message about sort of "abandoning it all" to serve. He doesn't advocate total abandonment for Everybody....but he certainly raises the bar.....
this consumeristic mentality is SO deep that we don't even know it anymore.....how often to i ask myself if i really need yet another coat? even if it is on clearance and now $1...do i really need it?? no but i get it anyway.... and what about the poor? do i feel a personal responsability?
it is so weird to think of how revolutionary the early christians were...and how complacent and comatose we are today!
anybody feel me??!!!!????
how come all most people care about (and this is what i've observed in some of my richer friends) is mutual funds, college kids funds, etc. i'm not saying we are all called or can afford NOT to think and plan for these things but it seems like this is the pattern and main concern of their lives. i was exactly the same way coming out of college. i was going to get a "regular, high paying" job and begin "gaining equity".....somehow i found myself pull out of that mentality into a kind of rejection of those things and more impassioned (is that a word?) about the reversal of the kindgom fo the world for God's kingdom.....i find myself hangin' with the green party folks - not cuz i agree with all their ideology..but they at least seem down with this message.....everybody else seems to rather not be bothered or don't personally buy into this message.
do we realize that in God's kingdom poor people do not suffer....do we understand that in God's kingdom racism doesn't demoralize a people..do we realize that in God's kingdom EVERYBODY wins...that all are loved and served and accepted?! what a radical, radical concept!!! whether or not they accept the king is on them - but they themselves are welcome. that is just awesome to imagine.....
Campolo does a really great, and better job than i in articulating these things.
don't know if this made sense...typin' in a hurry
peace!
GG
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might-be-don
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| Posted 2/25/2003 3:45 AM (GMT -6) | | graygirl,
Just like they do the pacifist, they will tell you that God's Kingdom has nothing to do with the way we live on earth today. They say you are idealist and not in touch with fallen reality.
I'm not cynical, I'm sad.
peace and love, don
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might-be-don
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| Posted 2/25/2003 3:46 AM (GMT -6) | | graygirl,
Just like they do the pacifist, they will tell you that God's Kingdom has nothing to do with the way we live on earth today. They say you are idealist and not in touch with fallen reality.
I'm not cynical, I'm sad.
peace and love, don
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BBBCanada
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selah
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| Posted 2/26/2003 4:19 AM (GMT -6) | | graygirl,
I feel ya :) And, once again, I'm going to veer off topic (sort of)
because I only have a second to write this...
I WANT TO MEET YOU!! DON'T You go to WHC? Let's Meet!
Perhaps you will find a second to email me...or I you..
for now,
Blessings
and love,
selah
Then He showed me the river whose waters give life, sparkling like crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb. Rev. 22:1 | | Back to Top | | |
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graygirl
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| Posted 2/26/2003 10:00 AM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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Terry_Baxter
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| Posted 2/26/2003 10:51 AM (GMT -6) | | graygirl,
I'm convinced that being a social conservative and an economic moderate (American style) is a very Biblical set of values. For his other theological idiosyncrasies, Campolo is one of the few 'mainstream' Christian voices who is giving more than lip service to fighting economic conservatism and who is therefore countering the trend of consumerism.
The issue is HUGELY important. I would be thrilled if every church had at least one Sunday School class on consumerism to go along with all the Psychological ones (recovering from X, overcoming addiction/weightloss, etc.). But, the insidious result of rampant American consumerism is that churches themselves fall in to the trap of responding to the felt(created) needs of attendees (customers). So, if people think they NEED a divorce recovery group [not saying they don't--just an example of where the Church is out of balance] they get one, but they probably need a consumer class much more.
Best book I've read on the subject (and the main reason I'm posting here after a six month absence) is _Losing our Virtue_ by David Wells. It is aimed at the church and is theologically rock solid. If you contact me by email I'll even send you a free copy (have some extra ones).
Be God's
Terry
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graygirl
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| Posted 2/28/2003 4:55 AM (GMT -6) | | I Find It Hard To Say (Rebel)
I find it hard to say that everything is alright/Don't look at me that way, like everything is alright, 'cause my own eyes can see through all your false pretenses/But what you fail to see is all the consequences/You think our lives are cheap and easy to be wasted/As history repeats, so foul that you can taste it/And while the people sleep, too comfortable to face it/His life so incomplete, and nothing can replace it
And while the people sleep, too comfortable to face it/Your lives so incomplete, and nothing can replace it.
Fret not thyself, I say. against these laws of man/'Cause like the Bible says, His blood is on their hands…
And what I gotta say…And what I gotta say…is REBEL…while today is still today…choose well…
It can't go down this way, choose well, choose well, choose well, choose well, choose well, choose well…
And while the people sleep, too comfortable to face it/Your lives, so incomplete, and nothing can replace it… No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no…
And what I gotta say, and what I gotta say, and what I gotta say, and what I gotta say, and what I gotta say, and what I gotta say, and what I gotta say, and what I gotta say… is REBEL, REBEL, REBEL, REBEL, REBEL, REBEL, REBEL, REBEL, REBEL, REBEL, REBEL, REBEL… repent,…the day is far too spent…REBEL, REBEL…wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up and rebel…We must destroy in order to rebuild…wake up - you might as well…Are you, are you satisfied? Are you satified REBEL…oh REBEL… Why don't you rebel, why don't you rebel, why don't you rebel…
-Lauryn Hill, Unplugged
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Terry_Baxter
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| Posted 3/28/2003 6:46 AM (GMT -6) | | I know it's a month later (/shame on me) but the long-promised books are finally on their way.
Two of the extra books I had were donated to the church library. I got one back, but decided to leave one there. So, I ended up doing an Amazon.com order to get the extra one. (If y'all get a shipment from Amazon, it's from me.) So, everyone should get their book in a week or so.
Hope you enjoy reading it. I'd like to start a discussion thread of it after you've had a chance to digest it a bit.
Embarrassed regards,
Terry
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