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SeanG
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   Posted 3/31/2003 1:07 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Weekly Standard
Hear No Victory, See No Victory, Report No Victory - The Los Angeles Times goes to war.
by Hugh Hewitt

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THE LOS ANGELES TIMES, often called the Lost Angeles Times or the Left Angeles Times, escapes the sort of scrutiny that Andrew Sullivan and others apply to the New York Times because the "West Coast's leading newspaper" simply doesn't matter much on the East Coast (and increasingly not so much in its own back yard).

Had the New York paper run with a front page like Sunday's LA Times did, Sullivan would have been at work for a week playing catch up. It is as though the editors had agreed on an "All setbacks, all the time" policy, regardless of the actual news from Iraq. Here are all of the headlines from Sunday's front page:

    "Suicide Blast Kills 4 GIs at Checkpoint"

    "Wars Take Some Nasty Turns on City Streets"

    "The 101st Feels a Rush of Anxiety, Relief After First Taste of Combat"

    "America's Real Enemy May Be Time"

    "Allied Victory Could Sow the Seeds of a Trade Fight"

    "Small Town Caught Between Two Armies"

For good measure, here are the headlines from the Sunday "Opinion" section:

    "Battlefield Europe"

    "A Family's Path to War" (complete with pictures of Bush the Elder and Bush the Younger so we don't miss the point)

    "Too Little Shock, Not Enough Awe"

    "War Diary: Room with a Grim View"

    "Conflict of Necessity"

    "Broken Hearts, Hateful Minds"

    "Why Attack Iraq? Because We Can"

    "Murderous Containment"

    "Do You Shoot When the Enemy Is a 12-Year-Old?"

    "Uranium Warheads May leave Both Sides a Legacy of Death for Decades"

    "Three for the List of U.S. Heroes"

If actual control of the paper were handed over to Nancy Pelosi, I doubt that she could have come up with a more anti-Bush, pro-war-critic set of headlines.

Imagine if this crowd has been in control of the paper on June 18, 1944. For the benefit of the history-challenged, here is a portion of the World Book's account of Normandy:

    "Eisenhower chooses Monday, June 5, 1944 as D-Day . . . Rough seas forced him to postpone D-Day until June 6. During the night, about 2,700 ships carrying landing craft and 176,000 soldiers crossed the channel. . . . D-Day took the Germans by surprise. But they fought back fiercely . . . By the end of June, 1944, about a million Allied troops had reached France. The Allied forces advanced slowly at first. The Americans struggled westward to capture the badly needed port of Cherbourg. British and Canadian soldiers fought their way to Caen. The battle for Cherbourg ended on June 27. Caen, which the British had hoped to capture on D-Day, fell on July 18. Near the end of July, the Allies finally broke through German lines into open country."

Had the Los Angeles Times today been reporting the war then, here are how the headlines might have read 12 days into the invasion:

    "Hedgerow Hell: Allies Stall in Fields of Normandy"

    "Cherbourg Out of Reach --Eisenhower rushing reinforcements. Did Ike underestimate the Nazis?"

    "Caen: Montgomery's First Day Objective Still Under Nazi Control"

    "Only Rumors of Rockets--No 'Secret Weapons' in Early Fighting"

    "St. Loo in Ruins--Hundreds of French Civilians Dead As Historic Village Leveled"

    "No Signs of Jewish Revolt in Warsaw--Paris Does Not Rise Up on News of Invasion."

    "Germans in Berlin rally to their Fuhrer."

More inventive folks than I can e-mail me corresponding headlines as the parallel timeline changes, but the point will stay the same. The Los Angeles Times and other papers and media outlets have made conscious decisions to express opposition to the war in their editorial pages. That opposition is, less than two weeks in, seeping into the news coverage. It is a first for American media to turn against a war so quickly and abandon objectivity so thoroughly. Although Operation Iraqi Freedom is the farthest, fastest major advance of U.S. military forces in history, with the fewest casualties, and although the prospect is still in front of us of a decisive victory within three months, nevertheless the doomsayers on Spring Street are working overtime to create an alternative vision of the war. This vision evidently requires the front page to be kept clear of all reports of victory.

I am unsure what to brand this practice, but whatever it is, it sure isn't journalism. That would require objectivity concerning the advance of coalition forces, the casualties the coalition has suffered, and the damage down to civilians, all measured against history's ruler. Such reporting might end up sounding like a paper endorsing victory, if only implicitly. For the folks at the Los Angeles Times, that would be going too far.


The US has in fact, not stopped or paused the war, there were towns surrounded today, republican guard confronted, etc. The media has no clue what is going on out there with embedded media.

If anyone here would like to see actual video of, and written transcripts of the horrible defeatist viewpoint being shown over our airwaves (mainly from the left), I highly suggest visiting and scouring through this site:

    http://www.mediaresearch.org/

Peter Arnett is covered in Mondays mailer found at:

    Arnett’s Propaganda Meets an End at NBC
    http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2003/fax20030331.asp



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honorman
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   Posted 3/31/2003 3:36 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sean: I was so happy to see Peter A. fired. What a clueless individual.

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   Posted 4/1/2003 4:15 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The problem with the media is not so much that they are coming from a right or left political ideology. Those are easier to see. Big government or small government? Pro-abortion or anti-abortion? Pro-affirmative action or pro-merit? Pro-capitalist or pro-socialism? Blah, blah, blah. Easy stuff.

Part of the problem, among others and the one in which I would like to state here, is how everything is a drama i.e. CNN's "War with Iraq!!" With flashy beginning and play by play, MINUTE BY MINUTE, UP TO THE MINUTE, analysis. Like its some sorta football game. GIVE-ME-A-BREAK. Sheesh...Like ok. Has ANYTHING else, anything that would be newsworthy, happened in the world today?

Nope. Just remember this. Newspapers HAVE TO GENERATE NEWS. Especially cable companys where news is 24hrs and every minute has to be filled with something sensational.

Excuse me while I go and barf.

Brandon
"Mommy, I know now that the terms, 'I'll knock yo' teeth down yo' throat!' meant you'd love me in the special way you do everyday of my life."--Darwin Hobbs
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might-be-don
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   Posted 4/1/2003 4:22 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Overheard someone ask what ever happened to the folks that sent the anthrax in the mail. The whole issue was just replaced by something else and forgotten.

peace and love, don

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   Posted 4/1/2003 4:37 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Overheard someone ask what ever happened to the folks that sent the anthrax in the mail. The whole issue was just replaced by something else and forgotten.

peace and love, don

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Right. Let's see. What happened to saaaay...THE SPACE SHUTTLE!? The blip on NASA radar was bigger than what the news media has given it. Wait. Did a shuttle go down this year?? I feel bad for the families of those pioneers. Or how about when a plane goes down. You hear about it for weeks afterward. Other than that? Planes are no big deal. News is only news when it is what the news deems newsworthy. <----someone can use that for a quote under their name if they want. You have my permission.

Ok. Excuse me while I go and barf again.

Brandon
"Mommy, I know now that the terms, 'I'll knock yo' teeth down yo' throat!' meant you'd love me in the special way you do everyday of my life."--Darwin Hobbs
www.darwinhobbs.com
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honorman
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   Posted 4/1/2003 4:42 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Everything is THIS minute until THIS minute is this minute.

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SeanG
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   Posted 4/1/2003 1:10 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You know what makes me a bit upset, is when almost half the screen is filled with banners and tickers and the like, and then they show some footage of something, and half the screen is blocked... sometimes the entirety of the action they are showing happens in the half blocked out by the banners! Sheeesh!

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Springs
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   Posted 4/1/2003 4:37 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Don,
Was that funny? SeanG going on and on about banner blockage with most of his post filled up with a sign?
-Springs

Thy love did read by rote and could not spell. - Friar Laurence. - Shakespeare
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might-be-don
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   Posted 4/2/2003 2:48 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've always loved the media...

After a Florida hurricane many years ago my wife and kids were playing in a puddle caused by a flooded canal. The kid's were in a big tub and my wife was sitting down in the puddle. A local reporter saw them and took their picture. The picture showed up on the front page the next day with a caption that read something like, " woman ferries children over flooded river" . Making it sound like they were in mortal danger. They were just playing.

peace and love, don

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SeanG
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   Posted 4/2/2003 12:51 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Springs, Hardy Har har!

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Springs
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   Posted 4/2/2003 6:00 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I laughed. What can I say?

Thy love did read by rote and could not spell. - Friar Laurence. - Shakespeare
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SeanG
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   Posted 4/7/2003 11:47 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I was up late watching all the footage come in from the embedded journalists. It was hilarious!!!!! The Iraqi Minister of Information was on the roof of a hotel in downtown Baghdad saying that the Iraqi forces have killed three-quarters of the coalition forces. He also stated emphatically that our boys were not in the city… mind you this footage of him talking was in the smaller left screen of FOX’s screen. The larger right screen was showing live footage from the street used for military processions – the one with the gigantic swords crossing over the street, where we have seen Saddam watching his military pass by. This street was only a few hundred yards away from where the Information Minister was denying our present.

Funny, funny stuff.

Even Al Jazeera has broken down and is showing the footage of our guys in Baghdad. Who would have thought??



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SeanG
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   Posted 4/7/2003 11:54 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31915

Arab media slammed over war coverage
Editor of Saudi daily says reporters lying to try to bolster morale



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Philosopher King
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   Posted 4/21/2003 8:28 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think that US media with the exception of the New York Times is a propoganda tool for the US Government. Here in Canada we are blessed to have a fairly unbias new source in the CBC. I wonder sometimes when I listen to CNN how the news source has turned the coverage of the war or actually any event into a day long or week long episode of your favourite drama. When the next event happens the former drama is cancelled and a new one begins.
I think the other problem is the way in which people are bindly lead by the media. Most people never questions what they hear on tv. Never deciding for themselves what is true.
Finally, I don't feel that new sources cover the war news the way it should be covered. How can an embedded journalist be non-bias. These embedded journalist were part of the US military plan to continue the propoganda machine running strong.
I think journalist like Peter Arnett who was a war journalist in Vietnam maybe goes against the grain. Tells us the truth. Too bad the major network wanted to keep the propoganda going by firing him.

*** 'Treat all disasters as if they were trivialities but never treat a triviality as if it were a disaster'***
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   Posted 4/25/2003 5:24 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Why do journalists who participate in anti-war protests get fired, whereas there are not consequences for media companies that organize pro-war rallies?

U.S. Reporter Who Protested Iraq War Fired


BBC Chief Attacks U.S. Media War Coverage

Peace,
Electra

Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing. ~ Dostoevsky
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   Posted 4/25/2003 6:32 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Iraq war: Unanswered questions

One feature of the war in Iraq was the speed and immediacy with which many events were reported by the media. Some of these turned out to be not quite what they seemed, others are still surrounded by confusion. Was this the fog of war, effects-based warfare, propaganda, or error? BBC News Online takes stock:

Scuds

Coalition account: On day one of the war, 20 March, military spokesmen for the US and UK announce that "Scud-type" missiles have been fired into Kuwait. This was significant because Iraq was banned from having Scuds or other missiles of a similar range under UN resolutions.

Clarification:Three days later US General Stanley McChrystal reports: "So far there have been no Scuds launched."

Umm Qasr falls

Coalition account: The fall of Umm Qasr, an Iraqi town and port near the border with Kuwait, is announced and reported several times in the first days of the war - the first of these on 20 March. On 21 March Admiral Michael Boyce, UK chief of defence staff, and Donald Rumsfeld, US defence secretary, report that the town has fallen to coalition forces.

Other reports: Various media outlets report heavy fighting in Umm Qasr on 22 and 23 March.

Basra uprising

UK military's account: On the evening of 25 March British military intelligence officials report a "popular civilian uprising" in Basra. Major General Peter Wall, British Chief of Staff at Allied Central Command in Qatar, confirms that it appears an uprising has taken place, but that it is in its infancy and British troops are "keen to exploit its potential". The officials say Iraqi troops in the city turned mortar fire on their own civilians in an attempt to crush the unrest. British journalist Richard Gaisford, who is with the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards just outside Basra, says British troops are bombarding the mortar positions in an effort to support the uprising.

Other reports: Also on 25 March Arabic television stations report no sign of an uprising and that the city is quiet. Iraqi officials deny reports of an uprising, calling them "hallucinations".

Further UK account: On 26 March, deputy commander of British forces Major-General Peter Wall says the uprising is "just the sort of encouraging indication we have been looking for". But he adds: "To avoid any excessive optimism at this stage I should say we don't have any absolutely clear indication of the scale and scope of this uprising or exactly what has engendered it."

Conclusion: There is still no independent verification that an uprising occurred in Basra.

Tank column

Initial reports: On the evening of 26 March reports emerge that a column of 120 Iraqi tanks and armoured vehicles are heading south out of Basra. Major Mick Green, of the UK's 40 Commando, is quoted by the Mirror newspaper as saying: "We have no idea why this column has come out at the moment. Their intentions or motives are totally unclear but they have adopted an offensive posture and do not want to surrender, so we have attacked them."

Later reports: Newspapers and news bulletins the next morning carry accounts of fierce fighting and a large battle.

Clarification: Later on 27 March, a British military official is quoted as saying: "It was 14-0." This is understood to have meant that the Iraqi column consisted of only 14 vehicles. The official put the initial reports down to "the fog of war" and an erroneous radar signal.

Market explosions

On 26 March an explosion at a market in Baghdad's Shaab district kills at least 14 civilians. The BBC's Andrew Gilligan visits the scene. "What seemed to be two missiles landed in a busy shopping parade. The nearest military building, civil defence headquarters, is I have to say at least quarter of a mile away," he reports. The cause of the blast is still disputed.

Iraqi account: Following the first blast, at Shaab, Iraq claims that coalition forces are targeting Iraqi civilians.

US account: Initial briefings from US officials say coalition aircraft targeted nine Iraqi missiles and launchers in Baghdad during 26 March. Officials say Iraqis have placed the missiles in a residential area less than 100 metres (300 feet) from homes. Later in the day, the Pentagon insists that they did not target the market area in Baghdad. Major General Stanley McChrystal of the US joint staff says he did not know whether the explosions were caused by a stray US weapon or perhaps Iraqi anti-aircraft missiles that fell back to earth.

A US military spokesman at coalition Central Command says: "Our early intelligence report provides no conclusive evidence that we have caused the damage in the civilian marketplace. One possibility and high probability is that it was caused from the fallout from the regime's anti-aircraft fire."

Other reports: The BBC's Andrew Gilligan says that explanation is "unlikely because we simply haven't heard any anti-aircraft fire in the city for the past four days".

On 29 March, an explosion at a market in the Shula district of Baghdad kills more than 50 civilians.

US account: A US Central Command spokesman in Qatar suggests the likely cause was Iraqi fire. One issue likely to be examined in both market bombings, the New York Times reports, is the relatively small size of the craters, in the case of the attack at Shula they were closer to the kind associated with mortars, artillery shells or small bombs, than to the kind of craters commonly caused by American bombs or missiles in Baghdad.

Other reports: The British Independent newspaper reports on 2 April that its correspondent in Baghdad, Robert Fisk, has found a 30-centimetre-long piece of shrapnel at the site of the Shula bombing showing the serial number of the bomb. The newspaper says that the number identifies the cause of the explosion as a US anti-radar missile manufactured in Texas by the Raytheon company and sold to the US navy.

UK Government account: On 2 April UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw says of the first bombing, in the Shaab district: "It is increasingly probable that this was the result of Iraqi - not coalition - action."

On 3 April the UK Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon says that the there is no evidence that the market bombings were caused by coalition missiles other than evidence provided by the Iraqi regime. He says that there are Western intelligence reports that Iraqi officials had "cleared up" the site of the Shula bombing "to disguise their own responsibility for what took place".

Conclusion: Coalition officials say both bombings are still under investigation.

Executions

UK account: At a press conference on 27 March with the US president at Camp David, UK Prime Minister Tony Blair says that Iraq has executed two British soldiers whose bodies were shown on Arabic television. "If anyone needed any further evidence of the depravity of Saddam's regime, this atrocity provides it," he says. "It is yet one more flagrant breach of all the proper conventions of war."

Iraqi denial: Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf says that Mr Blair has "lied to the public" about the soldiers. "We haven't executed anyone."

Later reports: The British prime minister's spokesman later said that there was no "absolute evidence" that the UK servicemen had been executed.

Chemical weapons find

On 27 March, George W Bush says that US forces have destroyed a camp in northern Iraq belonging to Ansar al-Islam. Washington's assertion that there was a link between Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network and the Baghdad regime rest mainly on the alleged links between Ansar al-Islam and al-Qaeda. US officials have consistently maintained that the discovery of the poison ricin in London was linked to this camp. UK officials have denied this.

US account: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Richard Myers says on 30 March: "We attacked and now have gone in on the ground into the site where Ansar al-Islam and al-Qaeda had been working on poisons. We think that's probably where the ricin found in London came from."

Other reports: In London on 31 March two newspapers, the Mirror and the Sun report that the American finds at the Ansar al-Islam site offers proof that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. The Sun argues that this justifies the war against Iraq.

Later US account: On 1 April US Brigadier General Vincent Brooks says coalition troops are yet to find any banned weapons in Iraq. Donald Rumsfeld insists Iraqi weapons of mass destruction will be found in areas in and around Baghdad and Tikrit.

Capture of Iraqi general

British account: On 30 March British forces involved in clashes in Basra say they have captured an Iraqi general. UK Group Captain Al Lockwood says the general is being asked to co-operate with UK forces in the planning operations against Iraqi resistance in Basra.

Other reports: Qatari television network al-Jazeera interviews Lieutenant General Walid Hamid Tawfiq, an Iraqi commander in southern Iraq. He insists that no general has been taken prisoner by the British.

UK retraction: The UK Ministry of Defence retracts earlier claims on the capture of a general. It is believed that a captured officer was mistaken for a general.

Checkpoint deaths

Late on 31 March, US troops open fire on a civilian van that fails to stop at a checkpoint. Seven Iraqi women and children are killed, according to US officials.

US account: US officials say the driver of the car failed to stop after warning shots were fired over the car and then at its engine. Soldiers fired at the passenger cabin "as a last resort". US soldiers at checkpoints were said to be jumpy after a suicide attack at a checkpoint had killed four servicemen. Pentagon officials insist that the correct procedures were followed, and that soldiers had acted in "the appropriate way".

Other reports: William Branigin, a reporter with the Washington Post embedded with the US Third Infantry, witnesses the shooting and has a different account. He says that 10 people were killed, and no warning shots were fired. He reports that after the shooting Captain Ronny Johnson, the commander at the checkpoint, yelled at his platoon commander: "You just [expletive] killed a family because you didn't fire a warning shot soon enough!" US forces, according to William Branigin, offered the survivors of the incident financial compensation.

Cluster bombs

Iraqi account: Officials in the Iraqi capital say that US forces have been dropping cluster bombs on civilian areas in Iraq. First reports of the use of cluster bombs in the war appear in the Western media on 3 April.

Coalition denial: US and British officials deny the use of cluster munitions. British military spokesman Colonel Chris Vernon said: "We are not using cluster munitions, for obvious collateral damage reasons, in and around Basra."

Later UK account: A military official in London tells BBC News Online: "We have used them elsewhere." He said they were an effective weapon of warfare, for example to target a convoy of military vehicles, but were only used in the open far from built up areas. UK Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon defends the use of cluster bombs in Iraq on 4 April, saying they are legal and not using them would put British soldiers at greater risk.

Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing. ~ Dostoevsky

Edited by - Electra on 04/25/2003 11:32:54 PM
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