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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 5/20/2003 1:27 PM (GMT -6) |   | This is pretty astounding!!
Chimps May Have Closer Links to Humans
(AP) - It may be time to move over and share the human branch of the family tree with chimpanzees, says a researcher who has studied how closely the two are related. Humans and chimps share 99.4 percent of DNA — genetic code for life — according to a team led by Morris Goodman of the Wayne State University School of Medicine. The study, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, proposes that chimps be added to the genus Homo, currently reserved only for humans.
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Laplace
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| Posted 5/20/2003 1:34 PM (GMT -6) | | All I have to say is that all it takes for one proton to change an atom from one element to another, both of which can be radically different.
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Paul5388
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| Posted 5/20/2003 6:29 PM (GMT -6) | | Make sure the data you have is current. I have seen the number to be as low as 90% and I don't think the chimp's DNA has been completely mapped at the present. The two maps of human DNA that are supposed to be complete differ from each other, so I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in any of the published numbers.
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John Earp
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| Posted 5/20/2003 7:54 PM (GMT -6) | | Even if true (which I seriously doubt), that 0.6% would absolutely HAVE to make a HUMONGOUS difference in the final product! Think about it. Anyone who would think chimps are THAT close to being human is just plain silly. The physical and mental differences between chimps and humans are far more than 0.6%.
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 5/21/2003 5:33 AM (GMT -6) | | This came out on the AP yesterday. If true, it is humbling. And also makes you think about experimenting and torturing animals. I don't feel threated by it at all. I just think one way of looking at it is that God created the animals and loves them as well (in fact they were created first). They are valuable beings and should not be treated as cavalierly as a lot of us do.
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Tigress
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| Posted 5/21/2003 6:21 AM (GMT -6) | | I'm an animal lover too, as you can see by the name I use and my brother is a conservationist. I do believe that God created humans to take care of the Earth and all things in it, so we should never treat any animals inhumanely.
That said, no matter what scientists say about this, we know that God never declared that any members of the primate family are our equals. If that were so, He would have made it clear to us that we should love apes as we love ourselves; to treat them as neighbors like we would humans.
As far as I know, the main criteria for being created in the image of God is this: Being fully self-aware (sentient); capable of having a relationship with God and each other; free-will; humans are body, soul and spirit; and Jesus came as one of us - not as an animal. Granted, in saving us He saves the Earth and all in it, but The Holy Spirit lives in OUR hearts now and not in the hearts of animals. When was the last time you heard a chimp accept Jesus as his/her personal Lord and Savior?
There is some argument among Christians about whether or not animals are allowed into heaven, which leads to the question of whether or not they have a spirit/soul. I don't know either way. Although I do believe that God loves to bless His children so He might very well bring our dead pets to us in heaven in order to bless us.
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Laika
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| Posted 5/21/2003 6:34 AM (GMT -6) | | Tigress
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There is some argument among Christians about whether or not animals are allowed into heaven
My belief that God is a compassionate God rests on the hope that my cats will definitely NOT be allowed in heaven to bother me.
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Tigress
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| Posted 5/21/2003 6:36 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
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There is some argument among Christians about whether or not animals are allowed into heaven
My belief that God is a compassionate God rests on the hope that my cats will definitely NOT be allowed in heaven to bother me.
Even though the skies are blue, don't they let the sunshine through?
Are you nuts! I wuv kitties! 
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 5/21/2003 6:37 AM (GMT -6) | | | No kidding! I'd prefer my cats be there with me than most other people!! :) | | Back to Top | | |
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Laika
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| Posted 5/21/2003 7:06 AM (GMT -6) | | Reasonable
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No kidding! I'd prefer my cats be there with me than most other people!! :)
Tigress
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Are you nuts! I wuv kitties!
You want my cats?
Even though the skies are blue, don't they let the sunshine through?
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Tigress
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| Posted 5/21/2003 7:24 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Reasonable
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No kidding! I'd prefer my cats be there with me than most other people!! :)
Tigress
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Are you nuts! I wuv kitties!
You want my cats?
Even though the skies are blue, don't they let the sunshine through?
Edited by - Laika on 05/21/2003 12:07:31 PM
Laika,
Why do you have cats if you don't like them?
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Laika
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| Posted 5/21/2003 7:26 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Laika,
Why do you have cats if you don't like them?
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I like well-behaved cats. Well-behaved cats don't exist.
My daughters like cats of any kind. I'm stuck.
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John Earp
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| Posted 5/21/2003 3:52 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
This came out on the AP yesterday.
So? Scientists and newspapers are not at all infallibly correct. Any honest scientist would agree, and subject the study in question to the closest of scrutiny. That which cannot be repeated consistently through experimentation fails the scientific method.
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If true, it is humbling. And also makes you think about experimenting and torturing animals.
One's God-given conscience is enough to teach one not to torture animals.
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I don't feel threated by it at all.
Me either.
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I just think one way of looking at it is that God created the animals and loves them as well (in fact they were created first). They are valuable beings and should not be treated as cavalierly as a lot of us do.
can you tell I am an animal lover :)
The Scriptures (as you rightly point out) already show that God created the animals first and at least infers that God loves them. I certainly agree we should never torture animals.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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honorman
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| Posted 5/21/2003 7:30 PM (GMT -6) | | When a chimp invents something, drives a car without being taught by a human, does sign language without being taught by a human, oh yeah, those chimps are right up there...
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Laika
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| Posted 5/22/2003 4:33 AM (GMT -6) | | honorman
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When a chimp invents something, drives a car without being taught by a human, does sign language without being taught by a human, oh yeah, those chimps are right up there...
On the other hand, have you ever seen a chimp watching Oprah or Jerry Springer?
hmmmmm....
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 5/22/2003 6:35 AM (GMT -6) | | | Yeah and do chimps take up arms and go on killing sprees? | | Back to Top | | |
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Laika
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| Posted 5/22/2003 6:37 AM (GMT -6) | | ReasonableDoubt
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Yeah and do chimps take up arms and go on killing sprees?
Maybe if they watched enough Jerry Springer, they would.
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honorman
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| Posted 5/22/2003 10:21 AM (GMT -6) | | Best of both worlds, I'd say. The lower the fall, the higher the exalting....you guys can always grow hair and become chimps if you want (but I betcha you'd get bored )
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