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themuzicman
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   Posted 4/8/2005 12:33 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sahid said...
I think selling mustard gas to Saddam is an example of behaving poorly.



Hindsight is always 20/20. Right and wrong at the time weren't nearly as clear as we see it today. Such is the case with much of foreign relations.

Lying to a grand jury (Clinton) or illegally recording a cell phone conversation (McDermott) or drowing a woman in a river by abandoning her in an Oldsmobile (Teddy Kennedy) or being a grand master int he KKK (Robert Byrd); Those things are morally clear at the time they happen.

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   Posted 4/10/2005 2:01 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
ok. Repubicans always hold each other morally accountable. They are God's kingdom on earth.


Watch me fly. Freedom like wings and I will use them. Freedom like wings and I will spread them wide. - Stavesacre

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themuzicman
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   Posted 4/11/2005 8:23 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sahid said...
ok. Repubicans always hold each other morally accountable. They are God's kingdom on earth.


It's answers like this that show that you know I'm right, but can't bring yourself to admit it, so you go into denial, and try to make extreme statements to butress yourself.

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   Posted 4/11/2005 11:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You haven't made extreme statements to butress yourself? 
 
"When a DEMOCRAT gets into trouble, they're treated as a hero being attacked by mean people, and kept in positions of power.  Now, you tell me why democrats have a problem with "moral" issues?"
 
Ad hominem aside:
I don't think there is going to be much productive discussion between us.  I once thought as you do.  The way I now see it is that Democrats generally want to make the spiritual private and of no bearing on public life.  Republicans often want to make the spiritual into a civic religion and a formal set of laws. Neither position is Jesus', therefore neither can be mine.  Today's conservatives look a lot like Pharisees, and today's liberals a lot like Sadducees.
 
What could the GOP do to lose your approval?  How many deaths would they have to be responsible for?  How much kickback money?  How much gerrymandering?  Unless our righteousness surpasses that of the Rebublicans we will not enter the kindom of heaven.


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themuzicman
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   Posted 4/11/2005 2:13 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
No one's individual righteousness was sufficient to get into the Kingdom of Heaven. That was Jesus' point. We get in on HIS righteousness, which is given to us.


Honestly, if the GOP started defending the kind of law breaking individuals that the democrats defend, I would be disenchanted with both.

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   Posted 4/13/2005 12:39 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If individual righteousness is insufficient to get into the Kingdom of Heaven, then why are you acclaiming the righteousness of the Republicans? Should we give up on the Kingdom of Heaven and settle for the Kingdom of the Republicans? We can't have both. We can't have divided loyalty. Matt 6:24.

Selling mustard gas is always wrong.


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   Posted 10/2/2008 2:10 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

The 2008 Presidential Election is upon us. The “moral vote is alive and well, coveted in the likes of Sarah Palin.   

The historical background of the cultural war is framed in the following videos, seen from the perspective of a “Christian Nation”.  

Highly recommended:

A Nation Adrift (The Spiritual & Moral Downfall Of America) - Part 1

A Nation Adrift (The Spiritual & Moral Downfall Of America) - Part 2

A Nation Adrift (The Spiritual & Moral Downfall Of America) - Part 3

A Nation Adrift (The Spiritual & Moral Downfall Of America) - Part 4

A Nation Adrift (The Spiritual & Moral Downfall Of America) - Part 5

A Nation Adrift (The Spiritual & Moral Downfall Of America) - Part 6

A Nation Adrift (The Spiritual & Moral Downfall Of America) - Part 7

A Nation Adrift (The Spiritual & Moral Downfall Of America) - Part 8

A Nation Adrift (The Spiritual & Moral Downfall Of America) - Part 9

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