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selah
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   Posted 2/10/2005 5:53 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
JEE: In referring to "status quo judgment not love Christianity," Selah, do you not see how absurd and innacurate a caricature you have constructed?

selah: absurd and innacurate? hmmm. Ok. Let me say this: "may I get the coffee for you to wake up and smell?" Just kidding! REally though John, come on, you know this is a major problem. We've talked about it.

JEE: You have essentially said that most all (status quo) Christians operate from a "judgment, not love" paradigm, and in doing so, have JUDGED them.


Yep. I guess I essentially said that most Christians (including me) operate (on autopilot) from a "judgment, not love" paradigm. In saying that, I guess I did judge myself along with my brothers and sisters... sorry.


guilty as charged.

peace, love, and rainbows,
selah


For your steadfast love is higher than the heavens, and your faithfulness reaches to the clouds.
psalm 108:4

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JEE
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   Posted 2/10/2005 7:53 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Selah said...
JEE: In referring to "status quo judgment not love Christianity," Selah, do you not see how absurd and innacurate a caricature you have constructed?

selah: absurd and innacurate? hmmm. Ok. Let me say this: "may I get the coffee for you to wake up and smell?" Just kidding! REally though John, come on, you know this is a major problem. We've talked about it.


Hi Selah,

I meant primarily that it seemed absurd for you to judge the "status quo" while trumpeting nonjudgmentalism. I also don't think you or anyone else has enough information to make such a blanket judgment of the "status quo."


May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.


JohnE


http://revivaltheology.net

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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 2/11/2005 12:10 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Christianity Today Magazine's link
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/002/33.87.html
All You Need Is Unconditional Love -- A judgmental assessment of judgmentalism is, predictably, full of contradictions. (Reviewed by John Wilson, editor of Books & Culture mag.)

Quoting the reviewer:
"In evangelical churches, Boyd claims, "the sins we declare ourselves to be against are invariably selected to not target ourselves." Really? In the church where my wife and I are members, Faith Evangelical Covenant Church in Wheaton, Illinois—as in all the churches we have regularly attended—the sins our pastor warns us against are as mundane and deadly as those illuminated in The Screwtape Letters."
Again, quoting the reviewer, I found the side comment (note "replicate" ) in this quote interesting or unsettling:
"Hence 'God's goal is that humans, when filled with God's unsurpassable love and eternal life, would replicate God on an individual level and overflow with love back to God, to themselves, and to their neighbors.' Except for that word replicate, which doesn't seem quite right, I want to say amen."
And balancing it out:
"And yet the animating impulse of this book is powerfully winsome: a beautiful vision ... in which we are called to "dance the eternal dance of the Trinity, to participate in and glorify this unsurpassably loving fellowship. ... even though Gregory Boyd and I may be stepping on each other's toes, I am dancing too."
 

Post Edited (bert) : 2/10/2005 11:17:38 PM (GMT-6)

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