Todd gave Greg 5 minutes to clarify last week's interview:
Greg:
keep kingdoms distinct
repented of last week's calling one position (said he voted for Kerry)
1) Jesus never took bait
2) don't cozy up with any government, all under satan influence, power from caesar, playing with the devil, power over, in past has led to inquisition, heresy hunts
3) Jesus called both matthew and simon, two different parties, not a single word about it in the gospel, those political views irrevelant to the kingdom Jesus was building, matts and simons work together, don't align christianity with political side
4) kingdom of world=winning, kingdom of God=serving, power of cross, love enemies, good for evil, etc. (last weeks sermon), don't take eye off target, display beauty of calvary, don't repell
Todd:
Todd & Greg - matt and simon
Todd - feeling tension because of his role as moderator, yet wants to dialogue with Greg
Todd doesn't see the dichotomy of politics and christianity Greg asserts
abortion/homosex - moral issue, not political issue
Greg:
abhors abortion, but don't go about expelling it in a non-kingdom way
some trust power of vote vs. power of calvary
Todd: vote for prolife guy!
Greg: politics always involves compromise, distinct kingdom cause never compromise
Todd: agree completely, doesn't mean don't vote for prolife guy
Greg: weigh out various issues, homeless, welfare, poor - don't slap kingdom of god label on any political candidate
Todd: disagree - moral issue in the political arena, can't compare abortion to homeless, etc.
Greg: that's your opinion, can you see someone may disagree with you what's best for society
Todd: Kerry PROabortion
Greg: prochoice - prolife, Todd won't admit abmiguity, matt/simon - fewer abortions better, produce society where abortion rare as possible, simon might agree compromise better than polarization
Todd: Two means 1) legislate it 2) walk along side woman (lessen need for abortion)
Greg: third - church - how can we bleed/sacrifice for women/unborn child
Greg: do you think Kerry's evil?
Todd: no, but voted for late term abortion, that's evil
Greg: world is more complex, lots of ambiguity (gave prolife women caring for pg woman story)
Todd: serve and vote to save lives (not either/or)
Greg: slap "christian" vote - some, not all, put too much trust & energy on politics
Todd: would you preach against abortion from the pulpit?
Greg: violence/abortion - would preach from pulpit all forms of violence contrary to kingdom of God
Todd: it's sin
Greg: would not say how to vote
Todd: disagree on some points but not as far apart as Greg's thinks
Greg: yeah but would you still call me a christian?
follow-up callers:
- Jesus wasn't called to government power, doesn't mean we aren't called
- compared Greg's story of woman who voted prochoice but helped pg woman with
a burglar that as long as gives all the loot to charity ok what he did
- how do you not vote for man claiming to be a born again christian, how do you vote for a
mocker of religion
- wanted Todd to answer Greg's last question to him - Todd said he couldn't since never heard
Greg's conversion story
- last caller challenged Todd on that...you've read his books, heard him preach, met him, blah
blah, how can you say you don't know he's truly christian!?
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Post Edited (di) : 1/21/2005 11:19:27 AM (GMT-6)