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Interesting, Sparky

I agree with Greg on this one. Too bad but I think I will be out of town.

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Interesting, Sparky

I agree with Greg on this one. Too bad but I think I will be out of town.

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Be there or be square!

Seriously, my wife and I have enjoyed these events. I’m looking forward to this one.

If your plans change let me know, I would be glad to introduce myself. I have only had the privilege to meet a few folks from the board.

e-mail: SparknHeart@riverking.com

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Wonder if he'll call his opponents Nazis.

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Wonder if he'll call his opponents Nazis.

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Johnny! Johnny! Johnny!
The roots of your self afflicting wounds stem deep down into your heart. It’s weight is wearing on you, eating at the core of your good heart. Yes, it all stems from your lack of celebrating Christmas.

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Ha! Not wounded, just a bit miffed.

It would be interesting to see, however, if Doc is as willing to boldly condemn "the Christian Right" in such an open debate by alluding to Hitler, etc., as he was in this forum.

John

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It would be interesting to see, however, if Doc is as willing to boldly condemn "the Christian Right" in such an open debate by alluding to Hitler, etc., as he was in this forum.

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Come and vist Minneapolis on the 21st and you can ask him in person.
They have a Q&A.

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Originally posted by Mayflower

Greetings, Brother:

You probably know this already; however, I thought I'd mention for those who aren't familiar with the area -- that North Heights Luthern Church (in Arden Hills, Minnesota) is a "stones throw" from Bethel College & Seminary -- in the greater Saint Paul area....

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• http://merecomments.typepad.com/merecomments/2005/01/moore_describes.html 

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• http://merecomments.typepad.com/merecomments/2005/01/harts_last_word.html

Post Edited (Swede) : 1/8/2005 6:10:27 PM (GMT-6)

Here's from the Moore article.

http://merecomments.typepad.com/merecomments/2005/01/harts_last_word.html

This does not seem "black and white"

Is the Kingdom of Christ a present or future reality? Is it spiritual or material? Is it the church or the world? Is it to be found in evangelizing the lost or in reclaiming the culture? Christians for centuries have debated the answers to these questions and a new book by Russell D. Moore provides an in-depth look at the consensus that has quietly developed within evangelicalism over the past century or so regarding the Kingdom of God.

In The Kingdom of Christ: The New Evangelical Perspective (Crossway Books), Moore — who serves as dean of the school of theology and senior vice president for academic administration at Southern Baptist Theology Seminary — examines these questions through the prism of evangelical political action.

“But that is not because the Kingdom is a tool to equip evangelicals for politics,” Moore writes. “It is not even because evangelical politics is all that important, in the greater scheme of things. Instead, it is because the failure of evangelical politics points us to something far more important that underlies it — the failure of evangelical theology.”

The failure is that of contemporary evangelical theology to engage politics. Moore calls on evangelical Christians to shape their identity by convictions about the Kingdom of God in Christ. “The new perspective on the Kingdom of God can define evangelical theology along the lines of the central themes of the Old and New Testament canon,” Moore writes. “In the end, a renewed focus on the Kingdom is essential if evangelicals are ever going to grapple with the evangel of a crucified, resurrected, and enthroned Messiah.

“As such, evangelicalism ought to become both more and less political. Evangelical theology will not serve an activist agenda to be an identity caucus in someone’s political party. But evangelical theology will remind Christians that the call to Christ is not a call to ‘go to heaven when you die,’ but instead a call to be ‘joint heirs’ with the Messiah who will inherit an all- encompassing Kingdom.”

“Evangelical theologies of the Kingdom have led to two polar opposite approaches to political engagement: withdrawal or triumphalism,” Moore said. “One side persistently calls on evangelicals to withdraw from the public square and prepare for the coming of Christ. It beckons evangelicals to an alternative universe of evangelical sub-culture — a ‘Bizarro America’ where evangelicals have our own distinctly Christian popular culture, complete with Christian boy bands, Christian cartoon television networks, and Christian romance novels.

“On the other hand, some evangelicals have spoken as though America could be ‘claimed’ for Christ through enacting ‘Christian’ political legislation — complete with a ‘Christian’ view on everything from congressional term limits to the line item veto. These evangelicals have often vested political processes with so much hope that they are befuddled when political victories fail to stem the tide of the sexual revolution or the abortion culture.”

A Kingdom theology, Moore says, must inform the social and political engagement of Christians as well as their view of the world’s future. “Both evangelical withdrawal and evangelical triumphalism must be measured against a biblical vision of the Kingdom of God — a Kingdom the New Testament tells us is both “already” and “not yet,” present and yet future,” Moore said.

How does this (you who are planning to attend this talk) with the Parshalls Dr. Boyd and Mr. Barker?

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Post Edited (Laika) : 1/10/2005 6:24:57 AM (GMT-6)

I'll be there quietly in the background gleaning as usual  

For those that are getting a little hungry for this Friday's debate. Check out the following appetizer.