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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 5/9/2005 3:40 PM (GMT -6) |   |
Starkman said...
Hey Spark...
Spark: It seems to me, if what you’re saying is true, then your source of love is irrelevant as long as that source is God.
Starkman: No, not at all. Love, no matter who expresses it, is not irrelevant.
My point was not that all expressed love was irreverent, but that the god source of that love was irrelevant, if all love is simply ontologically the same.
How can Joe Blow Yoga man ontologically love the same as someone that has received the redemptive love of Christ into their heart?
He can’t. But like you said, Joe loves, and I agree to an extent that his natural love is relevant. But that love is easily prone to become perverted without the supernatural redemptive love of Christ. Most Sunday church going Christians don’t truly TAP into this redemptive love. This is why we see amongst Christians such a high divorce rate, along with infidelity, pornography, etc.
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Starkman
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| Posted 5/9/2005 3:55 PM (GMT -6) | | How do you conclude that the source of love (God, in the Christian's understanding) is irrelevant simply because all can love? Here's what it sounds like you are saying (maybe I'm missing your point, and I apologize if I am):
Because god is the source of love, and all people can love, god is irrelevant.
If the Christian is the one who can make sense of the eternal aspects of God's love (i.e., redemption), then this isn't an issue of love being some kind of stuff that's different for the non-Christian than it is for the Christian...as if the non-believer, upon coming into redemptive relationship with God, suddenly gets some new love stuff that He never had before.
As I see it, we are talking about relationships and how relationships are affected by our CONTEXT for loving, not the stuff of love itself. That is really all my point is.
(I think I've finally beaten this Caps key!)
Starkman
My teacher used to say that whenever he read Scripture, he would always ask the question, "What does this have to say about the character of God?" Working off his thinking, as I read Scripture, I have come to ask, "What does this have to say about the heart and passion of God's desire for relationship for us? | | Back to Top | | |
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selah
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| Posted 5/14/2005 6:22 AM (GMT -6) | | Thanks Modes. I appreciate your comments.
Most of all it's cool to know someone hears me 
Blessings,
selah | | Back to Top | | |
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Modes of Thought
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| Posted 5/23/2005 2:47 PM (GMT -6) | |
Selah said...Thanks Modes. I appreciate your comments. Most of all it's cool to know someone hears me Blessings, selah
So your saying your not going to check out Tillich?
I'll be expecting a review of at least 3 of Tillich's books when I see you at the SK conference.
"I don't feel a real urgent burden to get all the details of my ethics worked out until I've got the profundity of my love worked out in a Christ-like way." --doc | | Back to Top | | |
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Modes of Thought
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| Posted 5/23/2005 2:50 PM (GMT -6) | |
TGB said...Modes is online. Be careful buddy, you don't wanna OBSESS! Tom ;o)
Fear not, any obsessing I'll do will be over at the SK discussion board.
When are you moving up here anyway?
I'm anxious to come to you your house warming party!
"I don't feel a real urgent burden to get all the details of my ethics worked out until I've got the profundity of my love worked out in a Christ-like way." --doc | | Back to Top | | |
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Laika
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| Posted 5/23/2005 5:20 PM (GMT -6) | |
TGB said...
Yeah! The big day is coming soon. I load the U-haul up June 22nd, leave VA the 23rd, and get into Coon Rapids probably late 24th or sometime the 25th. Anybody wanna come help me unload and move in on Saturday the 25th? I'll by the pizza and Coke.
Coon Rapids! Yer practically in our backyard.
If you need help, I'll pencil you in for the 24th or 25th. "By" pizza and Coke?
My wifey can help ransack unpack the kitchen stuff. Got any Lebanese spices?
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selah
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| Posted 5/24/2005 9:17 AM (GMT -6) | | But who can bear to look at this picture? Only he who can look at another picture behind and beyond it—the picture of Love. For love is stronger than death. Every death means parting, separation, isolation, opposition and not participation. So it is, too, with the death of nations, the end of generations, and the atrophy of souls. Our souls become poor and disintegrate insofar as we want to be alone, insofar as we bemoan our misfortunes, nurse our despair and enjoy our bitterness, and yet turn coldly away from the physical and spiritual need of others. Love overcomes separation and creates participation in which there is more than that which the individuals involved can bring to it. Love is the infinite which is given to the finite. Therefore we love in others, for we do not merely love others, but we love the Love that is in them and which is more than their or our love. ~Tillich
more later,
Bless!
T
1 Corinthians 2:1-5
When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 3 I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5 so that your faith might not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. | | Back to Top | | |
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selah
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| Posted 5/25/2005 6:03 AM (GMT -6) | | no problem Corey. As much as you have inspired me - its the least I can do
What do you think - does this mean we have to throw out our Loder books and move
to Tillich?
hmmmm. I need more time!!
will there be libraries in Heaven? ahhh, I got it. Libraries with no due dates!!!
(no late fees, no little nasty e-mails threatening us to return the book or else...uh ahem
um um maybe that's too much information )
I better go!
Exceeding Blessings,
love
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 5/25/2005 2:45 PM (GMT -6) | |
Modes of Thought said...I know I probably shouldn't post without having done a more thorough read of this thread, but I couldn't help notice the terminology of "Ground of Being" up a ways... Selah, if you are interested in this idea, I recommend checking out Tillich next time you get to the library. Go to the indices of his works and look for this term. I think it will work for you... His faith forced him to look for God beyond the God we speak of in Theology, the over-defined God bogged down in the humanness of our terminology. It points toward mysticism of a sort, but of a good sort, I think.
FYI
Links of interest:
"Ground of Being"
How about, "Modes of Being".
Kierkegaard Conference info:
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Tom
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| Posted 6/2/2005 8:33 AM (GMT -6) | | | If prayer is a "participation" then why is it only an "act of God"?
Seems to me that prayer is essentially nothing more or less than any other meaningful and intimate conversation we have with another person. They invite us into their thoughts, feelings, and desires and we invite them into our thoughts, feelings, and desires. The essence of prayer is just personal intimacy, and that can never be one person's act alone.
What d'ya think T?
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