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AtTheWell
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   Posted 5/2/2005 2:58 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
 
Hello wonderful people! 
 
 
I am seeking a better definition of altruism - I am often skeptical, even cynical, about so called "selfless acts", inside and outside of the church.  I am concerned that this leads to a very close-minded view of Faith/Interfaith, and love outside of Faith, inside myself. 
 
 
Any good examples?
 
 
 


Peace,
ATW

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Similitude
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   Posted 5/2/2005 7:43 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
ATW, I don't think sentient beings ever intentionally do what is ABSOLUTELY counter to their own interest (the word "absolutely" is pertinent).  It seems to me that rational beings maximize their own well-being.  The beauty of the law of love is that it is based upon the fact that each person's well-being is maximized when they "seek not their own."


wjs

Post Edited (jefscott) : 5/2/2005 9:09:28 PM (GMT-5)

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selah
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   Posted 5/3/2005 5:36 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Try on this definition ATW:

Altruism is a motivational state with the ultimate goal of increasing another's welfare.

Egoism, on the other hand, is a motivational state with the ultimate goal of increasing one's own welfare.

(Dan Batson)

I like the language of "motivational state" and "ultimate" goal...

To me, "motivational state" suggests a consistent way of being that reflects our beliefs...especially about love/loving behavior in this case. Think about it like this...if we really believe that love is a renewable resource and that loving actions positively affect other people, then we would be motivated to act and react out of that belief. The result would be that we'd seek to empower others with actual other regarding behavior rather than acting out of the opposing belief that we have to constantly seek more power for ourselves. It's been suggested that our automatic empathetic responses toward relieving the pain of another is where this motive is most evident. (I buy that!) Sure, WE benefit when others benefit (to some degree), but reciprocity is not the "ultimate" goal when we're talking about altruism.



Blessigns and love,
selah


1 Corinthians 2:1-5
When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 3 I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5 so that your faith might not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power.

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Similitude
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   Posted 5/3/2005 6:41 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Selah: Sure, WE benefit when others benefit (to some degree), but reciprocity is not the "ultimate" goal when we're talking about altruism.

Jeff: Good point.  (I'd also like Meph to add an articulate take on the aesthetic aspect of it. I think it is relevant, too.)  We benefit in ways completely un-related to reciprocity.  Just as God does.  But those benefits need not even be contemplated at the time of an altruistic act.  The purely aesthetic quality of goodness can motivate.


wjs

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AtTheWell
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   Posted 5/3/2005 7:41 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Selah,
Yes! Very helpful. Setting it up apart from EGOISM is so beneficial. "Motivational state"-- cause it's all in the motive--
Bringing the language of empathy in really helps as well.
Gracias!

Jeff,
Thanks for interacting. And I too would like to see what Meph could add to this.


Peace,
ATW

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