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One Love
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| Posted 10/3/2003 11:22 AM (GMT -6) |   | | | |
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Springs
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| Posted 10/5/2003 6:18 PM (GMT -6) | | Hey the back door man is at it again. 
Okay,I'll bite.
It had a good beat, I think I could dance to it.  It looked like some sort of rally, people coming together. The first thing I thought was, I can't understand the lyrics. What they are talking about? I heard them mention being called back to the street. Which backed up the gathering in the images. Then I think they named off some rappers. I don't know who they were talking about and I couldn't understand what they were saying, so I don't know whether they were saying good things about the musicians or putting them down.
Then I wondered why they were drinking liquor out of a gas can. Then I wondered who the "suckers were that live in February," and what stealing things out of their attics meant. I have no idea what it means to park your car on the left.
Then I liked the refrains of "if you don't give a damn, don't throw it up" and "don't start no stuff, won't be no stuff." They may be admonishments be disciplined and work hard at what you do, but I don't like to guess at deep structure when I can't even understand the conversation.
I couldn't understand many of the lyrics at the end. But I do know that if you go down south and throw the bones you are playing a gambling game with dominoes.
How zat?
Do your thang.
Spring G
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Springs
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| Posted 10/6/2003 7:19 PM (GMT -6) | | Yo Meph,
I was going to take another crack at this tonight since I didn't follow the instructuions very well the first time, to wit:
Meph: "do free-IMAGE association."
But now I can't get the video to play. (I had help last night).
But for what it's worth here are the word associations for the visual images that I remember.
Homecoming, solidarity, unity, block party, party, dance, overcome barriers, celebrate, drink, rally, discipline, committment
-S
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Tom
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| Posted 10/7/2003 1:04 AM (GMT -6) | | Springs: Homecoming, solidarity, unity, block party, party, dance, overcome barriers, celebrate, drink, rally, discipline, committment.
Tom: Sounds like an annual ETS get-together!
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Springs
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| Posted 10/7/2003 3:27 AM (GMT -6) | | HAH!
Oh I forgot, - long luscious lady licking lollipop. Do they have that at ETS?
Lots and lots of drinking, gas guzzling, a chicken breast flopped onto a car window jam, and a guy biting into a piece of chicken.
Meph?
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One Love
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| Posted 10/7/2003 4:40 AM (GMT -6) | | Heh. Very interesting.
Some of y’all ar probably wondering why I did this. Here’s the main reason…
In this video, I think that there are a lot of things that can possibly enhance some stereotypes that people have about urban folk. (ie drinking malt liquor in brown sacks, smoking all the time, thinking violently, objectifying women, eating chicken, etc.) Yeah, this happens in many rap videos, but I thought it was pretty prevalent in this one. I was willing to bet that some of the people that come to this board rarely, if ever, watch ANY type of secular music videos, let alone rap videos. And I was willing to bet that at least some of the people here haven’t had much exposure to some aspects young southern urban culture.
I thought about something. How we think about people will DEFINITELY affect how and whether we try to have relationship with them. It really matters how we SEE people. I remember Efrem saying something like this, in the Project Equip youth ministry conference. I think that sometimes we really don’t know how we feel about people until we come into contexts where some stereotypes are brought out about them. Sometimes, we may be very surprised what feelings and emotions we feel about someone when we see them. For example, because of some ill harrassment that I’ve had with police in the past, I hate to admit that sometimes when I see them rollas coming by, I have very negative feelings about them, especially when I see them dealing with Black folk. This sometimes happens, even though I know that many police officers truly are public servants. But I know that my having those feelings towards cops will definitely hinder me having God’s love for them. So, it’s imperative that I fully acknowledge those feelings and deal with them.
I think that the same case can be made for some people who see urban people doing stuff like drinking liquor out of gas cans or wearing baggy stuff. Maybe those feelings are revulsion. Maybe those feelings are patronizing. At any rate, I just wanted to give some people who may not otherwise think about it a chance to look at this and HONESTLY discover some of what they feel about some sectors of urban culture. I figured that for some people, this experiment might get them in touch with some impressions that they may not have known that they had, either positive or negative. Because these are our brothers and sisters that God wants us to have relationship. So, we’d better know how we REALLY feel about them.
Just a thought.
Other things:
1) The lyric is “If you don’t give a damn, go on, throw it up.” The uncut version is “If you don’t give a damn, we don’t give a f&ck.” Just so ya knew. 
2) I’d agree with Triskal. I generally like Lil’ Jon’s (the dreaded dude) beats, so I figured I’d like this one. It’s bumpin, especially if you’ve got some tight amps and speakers. Club banger. Youngbloodz have some average flow, but can’t hang with Outkast, Busta, or Em. What bothers me is that there are some Christian rappers (ie T-Bone, Mars Ill, etc.) that could probably SLAY many mainstream rappers, but they don’t have the platform to do so for some reason.
3) Springs, very interesting. I think I’m gonna teach you to “catch” more lyrics from rap and hip-hop songs. Report to my crib and we’ll begin Hip-Hop 101, starting with “Rapper’s Delight” from the Sugar Hill gang. 
For you guys, that said something, thanks for your interaction. Watch out fo’ them Laws! (Oops, sorry.
Holla,
"I've been converted three times. The first was to traditional Christianity; the second to honesty and the third was to the Love of God and man (humanity) The third was the real conversion. The first two were preliminary."
--Nels Ferre, a theologian speaking of his spiritual journey with the Triune God
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Springs
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| Posted 10/8/2003 11:11 AM (GMT -6) | | That's it?! You just wanted to know if we were prejudiced against urban black folk? Sheesh. I want to know what they were saying in the friggin' video. Was there even a message? Come on fellah. Give me a 101 on this one.
I raised three sons, so baggy pants, gestures, and scantilly clad women are par for the course. My default setting for black folk is, wondering what kind of crap they have to put up with in our society.
Here are my favorite massive global generalizations. Black men are beautiful, Frenchmen are sexy, Spanish men are lovers, American white men are arrogant, and ALL men are chauvanists.
Ouch.
'cept for my hubby of course, any my favorite Bastor, TGB, he's a saint, Oh, and Iconoclast, and,... heh.
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