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honorman
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Posted 10/14/2003 9:59 AM (GMT -6)

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DLW
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Posted 10/14/2003 10:20 AM (GMT -6)

Huzzah, huzzah,

dance the dance of joy!

Bush has raised increasingly greater levels of money for his reelection campaign.

Now if only Cheney would resign and Powell be made v.president, that would really help lock in the White House re-election.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

Tigress
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Posted 10/14/2003 10:28 AM (GMT -6)

DLW,
I thought you didn't like Bush? But, here you want him reelected?

Anyway, I really get irritated when they spend so much money on election campaigns. I mean, aren't they usually like $1000.00 a plate at some of those dinners they have? Why don't they save some money and make the dinners less luxurious? Who are these people going to these dinners anyway? Aren't they usually the same people who complain about the government wasting money?

GRRRR! Just once I like to see a campaign dinner that serves $8.00 plates!

Tigress

"Name a shrub after me. Preferably one that's prickly and difficult to eradicate."

-Captain Jack Aubrey
"Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World"

DLW
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Posted 10/14/2003 11:38 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by Tigress

DLW,
I thought you didn't like Bush? But, here you want him reelected?

Anyway, I really get irritated when they spend so much money on election campaigns. I mean, aren't they usually like $1000.00 a plate at some of those dinners they have? Why don't they save some money and make the dinners less luxurious? Who are these people going to these dinners anyway? Aren't they usually the same people who complain about the government wasting money?

GRRRR! Just once I like to see a campaign dinner that serves $8.00 plates!

I doubt most people care about the food, that's just a pretext for making contributions.

It is a better use of the candidate's scarce time to go after the bigger-money plates since people like you are going to give them your votes anyways and the rest can be numbed into voting through the onslaught of campaign advertisements that all that money is going to go into buying.

dlw

Tigress
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Date Joined Feb 2003
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Posted 10/14/2003 11:47 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by DLW

quote:
Originally posted by Tigress

DLW,
I thought you didn't like Bush? But, here you want him reelected?

Anyway, I really get irritated when they spend so much money on election campaigns. I mean, aren't they usually like $1000.00 a plate at some of those dinners they have? Why don't they save some money and make the dinners less luxurious? Who are these people going to these dinners anyway? Aren't they usually the same people who complain about the government wasting money?

GRRRR! Just once I like to see a campaign dinner that serves $8.00 plates!

I doubt most people care about the food, that's just a pretext for making contributions.

It is a better use of the candidate's scarce time to go after the bigger-money plates since people like you are going to give them your votes anyways and the rest can be numbed into voting through the onslaught of campaign advertisements that all that money is going to go into buying.

dlw

Wait a minute...who pays for the dinners? Isn't it the particular party hosting the dinner, so that they can essentially bribe people into voting for them.

Or do the people who come to the dinner pay for the dinner, and the $1000.00 is for the guy who's running? If the second is correct, what the heck do they need so much money for anyway?

And why the attitude, DLW? You stated above that you're voting for Bush, too. So, why are you angry at "people like me" for voting for him also?

Tigress

"Name a shrub after me. Preferably one that's prickly and difficult to eradicate."

-Captain Jack Aubrey
"Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World"

DLW
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Posted 10/14/2003 12:03 PM (GMT -6)

I'm sorry for the attitude.

Only a small part of the money raised goes to pay for the food.

Usually, the money goes to pay for advertisements to get people to vote for the candidate, or get out the vote movements for party-faithfuls. It is given in return for favors after the candidate is elected, which is why many people hedge their bets with more than one candidate.

There are many things that can be done with the money to try to sway an election outcome. Sometime this next year, probably close to the final election-day, you will get called up as a reminder to vote. The money raised at said fund-raisers will be paying for the people who will be calling you up to vote.

dlw

Tigress
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Total Posts : 1252

Posted 10/14/2003 12:15 PM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by DLW

I'm sorry for the attitude.

Only a small part of the money raised goes to pay for the food.

Usually, the money goes to pay for advertisements to get people to vote for the candidate, or get out the vote movements for party-faithfuls. It is given in return for favors after the candidate is elected, which is why many people hedge their bets with more than one candidate.

There are many things that can be done with the money to try to sway an election outcome. Sometime this next year, probably close to the final election-day, you will get called up as a reminder to vote. The money raised at said fund-raisers will be paying for the people who will be calling you up to vote.

dlw

I hardly call $1000.00 a plate a "small part."

I never get invited to these fund-raisers - and neither has anyone I've ever known. Sounds rather elitist to me. Or can any citizen go to these fancy dinners?

Tigress

"Name a shrub after me. Preferably one that's prickly and difficult to eradicate."

-Captain Jack Aubrey
"Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World"

DLW
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Total Posts : 2457

Posted 10/14/2003 12:57 PM (GMT -6)

The amount it cost to purchase, prepare and serve the food is small compared to the amount people pay for the dinner.

Everyone can go, they just have to shell out a thousand bucks for the meal.

You see, politician broker influence in the gov't and people purchase this influence by making contributions to their campaigns. This is part of their freedom of $peech, which they are trying to make sure the evil, unconstitutionalcampaign finance reforms do not undermine.

dlw

DLW
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Date Joined Apr 2003
Total Posts : 2457

Posted 10/14/2003 1:12 PM (GMT -6)

Here is an assignment taken from Tim Penny's syllabus that I would recommend for all of CVM

Money and elections.

Topics to be covered: Campaigning at a grassroots level. Mobilizing the voting base. Marketing the message. Money buys elections or does it? Fundraising overview and fundraising tactics. The Federal Elections Commission (FEC): its role and purpose. Campaign reform: what (if anything) will McCain-Feingold campaign reform accomplish?

Reading assignment: Chapters 6 and 7 from Tim Penny's book - The Fifteen Biggest Lies in Politics.

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