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Laika
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Posted 10/28/2003 1:35 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by JimmyGgp

Any system of government would work if the individuals involved truly, in grace, sought to do the will of Christ. The problem is not with the state, it is with us.

A command economy full of dedicated believers would still fail. It isn't just a problem of motivation, it's a problem of centralized planning. The best decisions are made locally and thus the decision-making process is best when distributed.

Jesus was never a socialist, he directed individuals to give/share/serve. He didn't advocate that they do this through their government. No matter what government you live under, you're to give/share/serve. It's just that under a capitalist government, you actually have something to give.

Socialism is the fair and equal distribution of poverty.

inside you the time moves and she don't fade
the ghost in you she don't fade

DLW
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Posted 10/28/2003 4:29 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by JimmyGgp

Any system of government would work if the individuals involved truly, in grace, sought to do the will of Christ. The problem is not with the state, it is with us.

Just two more cents to throw in.

But we shouldn't hold our breath and expect this to happen anytime in the near future and if we sought to do the will of Christ this might affect how we would behave politically, thus affecting our system of gov't.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

rossfadeinout
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Posted 10/28/2003 10:34 AM (GMT -6)

Sidenote....

Congrats to DLW, looks like he just became a "SUPERSTAR." Any one challenging his position might want to take note of this....

Please contiue with the discussion Eyebrow

,

Ross

"Let us remember how common the folly is of going from one faulty extreme into the opposite." -Thomas Reid

DLW
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Posted 10/28/2003 10:43 AM (GMT -6)

Thanks,

Pow's hegemony is over...(and I've even overtaken Doc!!!!) I even just reached 1000 over at Theo-Web where I've only been a participant since July... Okay I need help, but if you'd like to check out some good exchanges with non-Christians over their perceptions of Christians and politics I recommend the following thread...www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12664

So when does 3000+ get relabelled as Time-Allocation-Challenged?

Clown

dlw

Tigress
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Posted 11/4/2003 9:29 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by DLW

Thanks,

Pow's hegemony is over...(and I've even overtaken Doc!!!!) I even just reached 1000 over at Theo-Web where I've only been a participant since July... Okay I need help, but if you'd like to check out some good exchanges with non-Christians over their perceptions of Christians and politics I recommend the following thread...www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12664

So when does 3000+ get relabelled as Time-Allocation-Challenged?

dlw

Congrats!

Now I don't want to hear any more accusations from you about how I spend too much time on this board, ya hear?!

In regards to capitalism/socialism: I'd be happy to start a commune with ya, Davey-baby! Eyebrow

Tigress

"Name a shrub after me. Preferably one that's prickly and difficult to eradicate."

-Captain Jack Aubrey
"Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World"

DLW
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Posted 11/4/2003 9:46 AM (GMT -6)

No more complaints than the usual grumblings...

As for communes,

Oh, give me land, lots of land under starry skies above
Don't fence me in
Let me ride through the wide open country that I love
Don't fence me in
Let me be by myself in the evenin' breeze
And listen to the murmur of the cottonwood trees
Send me off forever but I ask you please
Don't fence me in

Just turn me loose
Let me straddle my old saddle
Underneath the western skies
On my Cayuse
Let me wander over yonder
Till I see the mountains rise

I want to ride to the ridge
Where the west commences
And gaze at the moon
Till I lose my senses
And I can't look at hovels
And I can't stand fences
Don't fence me in

Oh, give me land, lots of land under starry skies
Don't fence me in
Let me ride through the wide open country that I love
Don't fence me in
Let me be by myself in the evenin' breeze
And listen to the murmur of the cottonwood trees
Send me off forever but I ask you please
Don't fence me in

Just turn me loose
Let me straddle my old saddle
Underneath the western skies
On my Cayuse
Let me wander over yonder
Till I see the mountains rise
Ba boo ba ba boo

I want to ride to the ridge
Where the west commences
And gaze at the moon
Till I lose my senses
And I can't look at hobbles
And I can't stand fences
Don't fence me in

No
Tigress, don't you fence me in,

Uh-huh...
dlw Bandit

Tigress
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Posted 11/4/2003 10:00 AM (GMT -6)

DLW,
You always go to such elaborate lengths to make your points to me. Now, I'll have that stupid song in my head for the rest of the day! Angry

And I can't help but to picture Bob Hope on a ridiculous, skinny muppet horse, because he sang that song in a sketch on the Muppet Show that I have on tape.

Tigress

"Name a shrub after me. Preferably one that's prickly and difficult to eradicate."

-Captain Jack Aubrey
"Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World"

DLW
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Posted 11/4/2003 10:04 AM (GMT -6)

All the better to irritate you my dear and of course dance rhetorical circles around you, while doing so...

dlw

Tigress
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Posted 11/4/2003 10:12 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by DLW

All the better to irritate you my dear and of course dance rhetorical circles around you, while doing so...

dlw

Grrrrr.....ROAR!

Tigress

"Name a shrub after me. Preferably one that's prickly and difficult to eradicate."

-Captain Jack Aubrey
"Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World"

DLW
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Posted 11/4/2003 10:20 AM (GMT -6)

I rest my case, your honor.

now kindly let this thread serve its original intent of talking about Christianity and Capitalism, which I do hope Dana can get back to...
dlw

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