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   Posted 12/3/2005 2:36 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Wells Fargo banking giant has increased contributions to gay-activist groups, while cutting support to the Boy Scouts of America.

 

http://www.family.org/cforum/news/a0038785.cfm

 

The following link list other Corporate America companies that lead the charge to reengineer society with anti-family polices:

http://www.family.org/cforum/images/pdfs/BigBusiness.pdf

 

 

Money, technology and Walt. "The Gay Financial Network recently listed the ten "most powerful and gay friendly public companies in corporate America." They are American Express Co.; Walt Disney Co.; Microsoft Co.; Lucent Technologies Inc.; Xerox; International Business Machines; Hewlett-Packard Co.; Apple Computer Inc.; AMR Corp. and Citigroup Inc."

http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/Archive/200208/CUL20020802b.html


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   Posted 12/6/2005 3:47 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You should see how many companies are a part of Planned Parenthood's "Matching Gift Companies" program. Here's the list of just the S's.  
 
I think PPFA also supports the Pride Marches too.  They also have an education agenda, so to speak.  Look under their education: classroom activity for educators.  They want high school teachers to encourage the students to join with the GSA.


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   Posted 12/8/2005 12:18 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Violin for God said...
You should see how many companies are a part of Planned Parenthood's "Matching Gift Companies" program. Here's the list of just the S's.  
 
I think PPFA also supports the Pride Marches too.  They also have an education agenda, so to speak.  Look under their education: classroom activity for educators.  They want high school teachers to encourage the students to join with the GSA.

Thanks for the link VFG,
yes, it's a crazy world out there.
 
"Yes, the Boy Scouts are discriminatory and prejudiced."
Greg does a pretty good job of summing up the nonsense for me. The following is a good article by Gregory Koukl, it's well worth reading:
 
 
 
Yes indeed! Wells Fargo has a policy to get rid of all discrimination. It's called “reverse discrimination”. 


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   Posted 12/8/2005 11:17 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I haven't read all the articles, but shouldn't Christian's be "gay friendly"? When deciding whether to give money to either a group who (1) excludes gays or (2) shows them love, isn't the Christian choice #2?


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   Posted 12/9/2005 10:59 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sahid said...
I haven't read all the articles, but shouldn't Christian's be "gay friendly"? When deciding whether to give money to either a group who (1) excludes gays or (2) shows them love, isn't the Christian choice #2?

Choice (1) "Boy Scouts: These are people who pledge with an oath to help other people at all times, to keep themselves physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight. Their guiding law is to be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent. Their daily goal is to do a good turn to another person. As a group they have a long history of building strong, capable leaders with personal integrity and moral strength."

Choice (2) "Homosexuals as a group:  In their sexual life homosexuals abhor restraint. As a group they are promiscuous. Sadomasochism for many is a way of life. When they enter politics they are aggressive, often offensive, frequently abusive and sometimes violent. They are unique as a social group for how thoroughly and rapidly they spread disease. They champion a lifestyle that a significant portion of the psychological community view as mal-adaptive and destructive. Please observe that I'm trying to keep moral judgment out of this; these are objective observations that can be supported by statistics."

http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5132 


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   Posted 12/9/2005 12:11 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sparknheart:
Choice (2) Homosexuals as a group: In their sexual life homosexuals abhor restraint. As a group they are promiscuous. Sadomasochism for many is a way of life. When they enter politics they are aggressive, often offensive, frequently abusive and sometimes violent. They are unique as a social group for how thoroughly and rapidly they spread disease. They champion a lifestyle that a significant portion of the psychological community view as mal-adaptive and destructive. Please observe that I'm trying to keep moral judgment out of this; these are objective observations that can be supported by statistics.

Let's itemize claims:

On the whole,
1) Homosexuals abhor restraint.
2) Homosexuals are promiscuous.
3) Homosexuals have sadomasochism as a way of life
4) In political activity, that are aggressive unto violence.
5) Homosexuals are UNIQUE in the way that they thoroughly and rapidly spread disease.
6) A "significant portion" of the psychological community (PRESENTLY) view homosexuality as maladaptive.

I am tremendously interested in seeing these statistics for each of these claims. I'm not being flippant either. I'd genuinely like to see what information these sources of yours have. I'd really like to see the stats and any citations I could get for them. If they are websites, that'd be GREAT. But books, interviews, and things like that are ok too.

Just post them here for all of us.

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   Posted 12/9/2005 12:32 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sahid said...
I haven't read all the articles, but shouldn't Christian's be "gay friendly"? When deciding whether to give money to either a group who (1) excludes gays or (2) shows them love, isn't the Christian choice #2?

Hey Sahid, I don't have much time, so I hope what I write makes sense...
 
Should Christians be "pedophile friendly"?  Don't get me wrong, I'm not equating pedophiles with homosexuals (ie, I'm not saying that someone who is a homosexual is also a pedophile; they're two groups), I'm just trading one moral issue for another.  Just as the Boy Scouts view homosexuality as wrong and thus do not allow them to become leaders, the same goes for pedophiles.  Or apply this to murderers, or even to men who sleep around... should they be allowed to be leaders of the Boy Scouts? 
 
I don't think it's wrong to hold up moral standards.  Also, excluding gays vs. showing them love is a false dichotomy.  You can love them and still believe they are wrong.
 
ok... ciao.


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Ted: "Oh, yeah. Right.  All we are...is dust in the wind dude."
Bill: ..."Dust".... "Wind" ... "Duuuude".
Socrates: (gasping in awe) "Like sands through the hour glass, so are the days of our lives."

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   Posted 12/9/2005 2:57 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
MephEternal said...
I am tremendously interested in seeing these statistics for each of these claims. I'm not being flippant either. I'd genuinely like to see what information these sources of yours have. I'd really like to see the stats and any citations I could get for them. If they are websites, that'd be GREAT. But books, interviews, and things like that are ok too.
 
Feel free to e-mail Greg Koukl, I quoted him:
 
http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5132

In the meantime, do you have any pictures of the Gay Pride March stopping along their merry way and helping little old ladies across the street. lol


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   Posted 12/9/2005 5:19 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey Meph (and anyone else interested), this article doesn't address specifically any of those 6 points above, but check this out anyway. This seems to be something to think about... may be somewhat related to point #6, though not specifically...

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3


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   Posted 12/9/2005 5:24 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Regarding promiscuity #6 (as well as fidelity vs. infidelity and the duration of relationships), here's another article also from the Family Research Council:

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02

Looking at the article again, it also briefly addresses #5 under the section of Health Risks.

And if you view sadomasichism as violence (let's just look at violence as a whole), it addresses #3.  Interesting that lesbians tend to have a significantly high rate of domestic violence (according to this article).  As far as I know, and I'm only talking about my discussions with those in the lesbian community, this may be pretty true.  As far as I recall, many come from abusive households... and what environment in which you grow up has an influence on who you later on will become (to get out of that, one has to make some very deliberate decisions).

Also regarding #5 under health issues, et al., see this:

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS01B1 


[As Bill and Ted approach Socrates]:
Bill: "Yo Ted, say something profound, dude." 
Ted: "Oh, yeah. Right.  All we are...is dust in the wind dude."
Bill: ..."Dust".... "Wind" ... "Duuuude".
Socrates: (gasping in awe) "Like sands through the hour glass, so are the days of our lives."

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   Posted 12/9/2005 5:48 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
One last thing,

Don't get me wrong. We need to reach out to people who are involved in this... but we also need to realize they are hurting inside.

Being a music major, I knew a lot guys who were gay (mostly in the choir) and many were definitely hurting on the inside. Another friend who was a dancing with a studio group was friends with all the guys (all being gay) had conversations with some of them about it; they admitted to feeling really hurt by life in general, felt unfulfilled by their lifestyle, and even hated their lifestyle wishing to somehow change.


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Bill: "Yo Ted, say something profound, dude." 
Ted: "Oh, yeah. Right.  All we are...is dust in the wind dude."
Bill: ..."Dust".... "Wind" ... "Duuuude".
Socrates: (gasping in awe) "Like sands through the hour glass, so are the days of our lives."

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   Posted 12/9/2005 11:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Violin for God said...
We need to reach out to people who are involved in this... but we also need to realize they are hurting inside.
Amen!
 
I'm with ya' yeah
 
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   Posted 12/12/2005 7:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have no statistics.  But if the Boy Scouts are going to hold up moral standards, they need to make some big changes.  The Bible talks about pride, greed, hatred, and envy much more than it talks about homosexuality.  As far as we know Jesus never bothered talking about it.  The Boy Scouts, however, have plenty of pride, gree, hatred, and envy.  At least those leaders and scouts who were there when I was one.  Splinters and logs.  There are more than a few SUV driving Scout leaders who are unashamedly hateful to gay and straight people and they are not excluded.  It isn't a matter of morality; it's culture.  I'm not saying the Scouts are bad; I'm just saying that their standards, as a group,  have very little to do with biblical morality.


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   Posted 12/13/2005 1:50 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sahid, I agree that if individuals within the group are prideful, greedy, hateful, and envious, yes, they need to change... but I don't think the organization itself, at least for what it on paper stands for, would support such behavior. It's unfortunate though that the higher-ups don't do something about the hateful attitudes the current leaders have. I'd say those who have and display hatred toward others (regardless of whether the 'others' are gay, straight, black, white, communist, socialist, etc.) should also be banned from leadership.

But anyway, even though the Scout leaders fall short in those areas, the organization itself still shouldn't have to change their stance regarding not allowing those who lead lifestyles they morally object to.


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Ted: "Oh, yeah. Right.  All we are...is dust in the wind dude."
Bill: ..."Dust".... "Wind" ... "Duuuude".
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   Posted 12/13/2005 2:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I agree, Violin. They shouldn't have to change. I am opposed to forcing the Boy Scouts to accept homosexuals or anyone else they consider to be "immoral."  Legislation/coercion is certainly not the answer.


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The nicest Nativity scene in town can no longer be found at Melrose's Memorial Park. The Nativity is owned by the Melrose Boy Scouts and maintained by a local bank. City attorney Scott Dymoke said the League of Minnesota Cities, which insures municipalities, advised their members about the risk of putting a Nativity scene on public property.  "There are several groups out there who really have nothing else to do with their time, apparently, than to try to find these displays and sue small communities," Dymoke said.

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_355145110.html


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