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BBBCanada
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| Posted 7/28/2006 11:54 AM (GMT -6) |   | |
It's amazing what pics can do. Until this point their all faceless.
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
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One Love
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| Posted 7/28/2006 12:07 PM (GMT -6) | | I'm so f#$%ing tired of this world. Seriously.
I wish it would hurry up and be over.
All of it.
Extinction level event, come quickly.
Er..um...I mean....LORD, come quickly.
Yeah...that's what I meant...
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This is what my aching heart tells me sometimes. I just want all the pain, blindness, and evil to stop.
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One Love
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| Posted 7/28/2006 12:13 PM (GMT -6) | | 
Which camp do you think I fall into?
www.workingforchange.com
The newest mantra:
God graciously FINDS us meaningful when God doesn't need to do it and we, in ourselves, can't do it.
"Hmm. Why not? What the hell. Let's try it."
--God
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One Love
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| Posted 7/28/2006 12:17 PM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 7/28/2006 12:18 PM (GMT -6) | | Meph Man: Which camp do you think I fall into?
Huh...let me guess.
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
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One Love
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| Posted 7/28/2006 12:30 PM (GMT -6) | | Hmmm...some background.
I am an ENFJ.
www.bestfittype.com/enfj.html
What this means is that I'm VERY touched by the emotions of the world around me. I don't like seeing the world in pain. I'm a Tender Heart Care Bear (at least that's what wifey calls me!) I love people. I really want people to experience connection, love, and peace. At the same time, I have a VERY deep sense of anger and hurt when I see the world suffering over the same satanic nonsense over and over. Sometimes, this takes me to places where my emotions get VERY cynical and tired. It feels like I'm living in a damn asylum or something when I look at the news...and see all the madness.
Yes, I know that God is there and that eventually things will be made right, but when I'm in the moment...and I see children being blown apart, used for sex toys, or left parentless because of some stupid bull@#$&...I enter into that quite deeply. I travail over this world lots sometimes.
This is the darkside of being a ENFJ, I think.
But you wouldn't have guessed that, wouldja?
The newest mantra:
God graciously FINDS us meaningful when God doesn't need to do it and we, in ourselves, can't do it.
"Hmm. Why not? What the hell. Let's try it."
--God
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selah
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| Posted 7/29/2006 6:55 AM (GMT -6) | | Meph said: What this means is that I'm VERY touched by the emotions of the world around me. I don't like seeing the world in pain. I'm a Tender Heart Care Bear (at least that's what wifey calls me!) I love people. I really want people to experience connection, love, and peace. At the same time, I have a VERY deep sense of anger and hurt when I see the world suffering over the same satanic nonsense over and over. Sometimes, this takes me to places where my emotions get VERY cynical and tired. It feels like I'm living in a damn asylum or something when I look at the news...and see all the madness.
Selah: wow, we are in total agreement. I'm an INFP. Our "Fs" match. Can you believe it? :) The only difference I see is that I've become less and less angry and cynical over time. I don't know if that's good. I just know neither has served me well. I DO feel an increase of sensitivity and hurt...and I do cry more over world events, however.
Mephi: Yes, I know that God is there and that eventually things will be made right, but when I'm in the moment...and I see children being blown apart, used for sex toys, or left parentless because of some stupid bull@#$&...I enter into that quite deeply. I travail over this world lots sometimes.
selah: me too.
love,
selah
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One Love
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| Posted 7/29/2006 8:01 AM (GMT -6) | | Selah:
wow, we are in total agreement. I'm an INFP. Our "Fs" match. Can you believe it? 
Oh, yeah. I can definitely believe it, Selah. Check the "Idealist" temperment: NF
From www.4temperaments.com
The Idealist's core needs are for the meaning and significance that come from having a sense of purpose and working toward some greater good. Idealists need to have a sense of unique identity. They value unity, self-actualization, and authenticity. Idealists prefer cooperative interactions with a focus on ethics and morality. Idealists tend to be gifted at unifying diverse peoples and helping individuals realize their potential. They build bridges between people through empathy and clarification of deeper issues.
Usually, NF people find themselves in the helping professions a lot, particularly ministry, social services, counseling, etc. The interesting thing is that you can have NF people that have VERY developed "Thinking" cognitive processes. I think you (Selah), Doc, Modes, and I fall into this category. When it comes to philosophy or theology, I can almost have an INTP-like drive for completeness, coherency, and consistency of thought...but with an ENTJ push for it to happen as SOON as possible. (Over and against the patient "let's-take-every-option-we-can" INTPs around here!  )
I have a very hard time dealing with inconsistency in worldviews, as you well know. But this is all in service to my "F": In other words, I give time to the abstractions and ponderings of philosophy and theology solely BECAUSE it affects human becoming and existence in an important way. If all this intellectual work didn't serve a relational purpose, we wouldn't do it. This is why we do what we do.
FYI, Doc is a strong ENFP. (Even Janice and Paul will tell you this!) In my opinion, his Asperger and ADHD tendencies...and his abusive childhood circumstances...have made him "learn" to be an introverted. Hence, his bookwormish tendencies. But when you read the ENFP profile, he fits it perfectly. www.bestfittype.com/enfp.html If you notice, his preaching style is to convey LOTS of information in the hopes of convincing people into movement in that direction. He also highly values REALITY over appearances when it comes to the deeper issues of the Christian faith,and he doesn't care too much about the ramifications of revealing what he believes to be falsehoods in that faith. (Hence, his undaunted expression of the whole Cross and the Sword thing) And I don't even have to tell you what Doc is like if he has too many meetings! 
ENFJs and ENFPs tend to be your passionate preachers...because, in their own ways, they both want to help people and equip them for positive life transformation. Who'd have thought it, huh? 
Moral of the Story: Next time you see your pastor, give him or her some appreciation. They're probably "F"s, and if so, they WILL appreciate it!
The newest mantra:
God graciously FINDS us meaningful when God doesn't need to do it and we, in ourselves, can't do it.
"Hmm. Why not? What the hell. Let's try it."
--God
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One Love
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| Posted 7/29/2006 8:07 AM (GMT -6) | | Brandon,
Sorry, man. If this is derailing stuff too much, I'll stop. Just let me know.
The newest mantra:
God graciously FINDS us meaningful when God doesn't need to do it and we, in ourselves, can't do it.
"Hmm. Why not? What the hell. Let's try it."
--God
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One Love
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| Posted 7/29/2006 8:17 AM (GMT -6) | | Starkman:
As a melancholy, I frequently wish it were I who could die. Quite frankly, I don't know how it is that more people DON'T kill themselves. I'm not condoning suicide, but in all honestly the thought of having to live another 30 or 40 years on this fool planet makes suicide look good.
I feel you. MAN, do I feel you.
I think that they ONLY reasonable thing we can hope to do is to get people to live PROLEPTICLY in the Kingdom of God. In other words, really paint the picture of life in the Kingdom...helping people to REALLY believe the hope in their hearts...in order for people to LIVE THAT OUT right now. When the small thought of suicide has occurred to me (and it has, make no mistake), it has been wiped away by the calling that I have to live out the Kingdom here right now...so that someone else may see the light and hope in it. I have a UNIQUE function for the Kingdom that will not be accomplished if I'm not here. And I love God, God's kingdom, and other people too much to let that happen. And the same thing goes for you.
This is our source of inner strength to do this, Stark. I'm reminded of the old song I used to sing in my church long ago...
This little light of mine
I'm gonna let it shine
This little light of mine
I'm gonna let it shine
This little light of mine
I'm gonna let it shine
Let it shine
Let it shine
Let it shine!
Our little lights really do make a difference. No matter what circumstances say.
The newest mantra:
God graciously FINDS us meaningful when God doesn't need to do it and we, in ourselves, can't do it.
"Hmm. Why not? What the hell. Let's try it."
--God
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selah
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| Posted 7/30/2006 1:36 AM (GMT -6) | |
MephEternal said...
Selah: wow, we are in total agreement. I'm an INFP. Our "Fs" match. Can you believe it?  Meph: Oh, yeah. I can definitely believe it, Selah. Check the "Idealist" temperment: NF From www.4temperaments.comThe Idealist's core needs are for the meaning and significance that come from having a sense of purpose and working toward some greater good. Idealists need to have a sense of unique identity. They value unity, self-actualization, and authenticity. Idealists prefer cooperative interactions with a focus on ethics and morality. Idealists tend to be gifted at unifying diverse peoples and helping individuals realize their potential. They build bridges between people through empathy and clarification of deeper issues.
selah: yep. that sound's like me!
Meph: FYI, Doc is a strong ENFP... If you notice, his preaching style is to convey LOTS of information in the hopes of convincing people into movement in that direction. He also highly values REALITY over appearances when it comes to the deeper issues of the Christian faith,and he doesn't care too much about the ramifications of revealing what he believes to be falsehoods in that faith.
selah: Question here mephi. Are you saying these qualities are specifically related to Doc's "E" or are these also NFP traits? I didn't read the full description on the link you provided, but I'm curious because I know I definitely share the whole "reality over appearance" thing...and I'm pretty sure my style of counseling involves conveying lots of information (sometimes too much!) in the hopes of convincing clients to move in a particular direction. hmmmm. Interesting stuff!
Blessings,
T
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One Love
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| Posted 7/30/2006 1:54 AM (GMT -6) | | Selah:
Question here mephi. Are you saying these qualities are specifically related to Doc's "E" or are these also NFP traits? I didn't read the full description on the link you provided, but I'm curious because I know I definitely share the whole "reality over appearance" thing...and I'm pretty sure my style of counseling involves conveying lots of information (sometimes too much!) in the hopes of convincing clients to move in a particular direction. hmmmm. Interesting stuff!
Those qualities are NFP traits. NPs have extroverted intuition...which means that the way that they interact with the world is by the expression of possibilities and connections.
From www.cognitiveprocesses.com
Extraverted iNtuiting involves noticing hidden meanings and interpreting them, often entertaining a wealth of possible interpretations from just one idea or interpreting what someone’s behavior really means. It also involves seeing things “as if,” with various possible representations of reality. Using this process, we can juggle many different ideas, thoughts, beliefs, and meanings in our mind at once with the possibility that they are all true. This is like weaving themes and threads together. We don’t know the weave until a thought thread appears or is drawn out in the interaction of thoughts, often brought in from other contexts. Thus a strategy or concept often emerges from the here-and-now interactions, not appearing as a whole beforehand. Using this process we can really appreciate brainstorming and trust what emerges, enjoying imaginative play with scenarios and combining possibilities, using a kind of cross-contextual thinking. Extraverted iNtuiting also can involve catalyzing people and extemporaneously shaping situations, spreading an atmosphere of change through emergent leadership.
This is an ENFP's dominant cognitive process (whereas it's a auxiliary process in INFPs). This means that they REALLY like to brainstorm and lead via emergent leadership. They tend to take a lot of time providing relevant information to people in order to help the person make positive change. Now for INFPs (Or INTPs too), extraverted intuition takes a more secondary role. For IN_Ps, extraverted intuition expresses to the world what has been conceived by the more powerful, more utilized introverted judging function, whether thinking or feeling.
The "reality over appearance" thing, especially related to human living, is a NF consideration.
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One Love
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| Posted 7/30/2006 1:57 AM (GMT -6) | | Brandon:
Given the picture of this dead Lebanese child, can I enjoy selah's avatar? SHOULD I enjoy her avatar? I think life is really sh*&%#y sometimes. And like you guys, I've had times of despair and hopelessness and have had the fleeting thought of killing myself. I've thought, "How much more of this can I take? I've got a breaking point you know?" Death, has at times, seemed more like a friend and not the grim reaper. But at other times, I think that flowers and many of the beautiful things of this world and creation are there because God WANTS me to enjoy them inspite of this freak'n mess. I don't mean to diminish the ugliness of evil but I'm not AS pessimistic in my general outlook. Should I be? Why? What say ye?
Nah. You're just fine, man. Enjoy all of life...the beauty and the ugliness. It'll all be beautiful one day anyways...
The newest mantra:
God graciously FINDS us meaningful when God doesn't need to do it and we, in ourselves, can't do it.
"Hmm. Why not? What the hell. Let's try it."
--God
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Pentz
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| Posted 7/30/2006 2:32 AM (GMT -6) | | Man, those pics nearly sent me into a swearing rampage. What the Hell? You know what really gets me? It is when i talk to honest, loving, God fearing believers who look at these pics and say, "Well, Israel is taking back what God has promised them." It makes me want to cuss.
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Starkman
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| Posted 7/31/2006 6:23 PM (GMT -6) | |
MephEternal said...Starkman: As a melancholy, I frequently wish it were I who could die. Quite frankly, I don't know how it is that more people DON'T kill themselves. I'm not condoning suicide, but in all honestly the thought of having to live another 30 or 40 years on this fool planet makes suicide look good.I feel you. MAN, do I feel you. I think that they ONLY reasonable thing we can hope to do is to get people to live PROLEPTICLY in the Kingdom of God. In other words, really paint the picture of life in the Kingdom...helping people to REALLY believe the hope in their hearts...in order for people to LIVE THAT OUT right now. When the small thought of suicide has occurred to me (and it has, make no mistake), it has been wiped away by the calling that I have to live out the Kingdom here right now...so that someone else may see the light and hope in it. I have a UNIQUE function for the Kingdom that will not be accomplished if I'm not here. And I love God, God's kingdom, and other people too much to let that happen. And the same thing goes for you. This is our source of inner strength to do this, Stark. I'm reminded of the old song I used to sing in my church long ago... This little light of mine
I'm gonna let it shine
This little light of mine
I'm gonna let it shine
This little light of mine
I'm gonna let it shine
Let it shine
Let it shine
Let it shine!Our little lights really do make a difference. No matter what circumstances say.
Definitely, Meph. Because of mistakes I have made in my past, a lot of time went by where I wasn't much use for God; my little light was to dim from my stupid mistakes. But that's past now, and what you've said is really the only hope I have; to believe that my light just might make a difference in someone's life down here. That's all I want. That's all I'm asking God to do. Whatever it takes, I pray it will happen. Because I'm telling you this life is just too hard to live sometimes, and I'm not even in the thick of the heavy crap going on in the world. Isn't that sad? I mean, here I am wanting this show to end so badly, and I'm full, I'm dressed, I'm healthy. But I'm not emotionally strong when it comes to seeing meaninglessness. Meaninglessness sucks more than anything else. I haven't found a whole lot of meaning yet (yes, I'm saved, but had been worthless for ministry purposes for so darned long). Now I just want one thing: "Please, O Lord, can it be that you'll just use me to touch other folks' lives? That's all I want."
Starkman
My teacher used to say that whenever he read Scripture, he would always ask the question, "What does this have to say about the character of God?" Working off his thinking, as I read Scripture, I have come to ask, "What does this have to say about the heart and passion of God's desire for relationship for us? | | Back to Top | | |
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