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Tiggers
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Date Joined Jul 2001
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Posted 2/2/2004 12:11 PM (GMT -6)

Hey C.Vers,

Has any heard about William Haskers new book coming out July of 2004? It’s entitled “Providence, Evil, and the Openness of God” from Routledge Press. Anyways it will run Evil

$95.00

from Routledge, and $66.50 from Amazon, yikes! Well…does anyone have any info on this book, and is it worth the purchase?

Warmly in Christ,
Tiggers

“The notion that God uses evils as a means to such higher goods is, … incompatible with the doctrine that he is omnipotent, and therefore does not need to use deplorable means to achieve his ends” (J.L. Mackie).

geebob
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Posted 2/7/2004 10:31 AM (GMT -6)

If I recall correctly, it's supposed to be more accessible than God Time and kNoledge.

not that I'm implying that it covers all the same material though.

I will gladly pay you teusday for a hamburger today.

-Wimpy

Tom
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Posted 2/7/2004 3:20 PM (GMT -6)

I'm definitely getting this one. Better start forgoing my weekly visit to Starbucks.

Bandit

Tiggers
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Posted 4/12/2004 5:02 AM (GMT -6)

Hey C.Vers,

The book is now going to arrive June 8th 2004! The new description of the book sounds great Cool

!

Warmly in Christ,
Tiggers

Publisher:
Routledge

ISBN:
0415329493

Pub Date:
08 JUN 2004

Type:
Hardback Book

Price:
$95.00

Extent:
248 pages
(Dimensions 234x156 mm)

"Providence, Evil, and the Openness of God is a timely exploration of the philosophical implications of the rapidly growing theological movement known as open theism, or the 'openness of God'. William Hasker, one of the philosophers prominently associated with this movement, presents the strengths of this position in comparison with its main competitors: Calvinism, process theism, and the theory of divine middle knowledge, or Molinism.
The author develops alternative approaches to the problem of evil and to the problem of divine action in the world. In particular, he argues that believers should not maintain the view that each and every evil that occurs is permitted by God as a means to a "greater good". He contends that open theism makes possible an emphasis on the personalism of divine-human interaction in a way that traditional views, with their heavy emphasis on divine control, cannot easily match. The book concludes with a section of replies to critics, in which many of the objections levelled against open theism are addressed" (Series Information:
Routledge Studies in the Philosophy of Religion).

Tom
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Posted 4/12/2004 5:15 AM (GMT -6)

On second thought, I'm gonna let somebody else pay the $100.00 and read it first. If there's something in it brand new, something that hasn't been said before, I'll find the money to get it. But I ain't dropping $100.00 to hear somebody argue basically the same things we've argued here over and over again.

$100? Whew!
Tom

Laika
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Total Posts : 2433

Posted 4/12/2004 5:19 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by TGB

On second thought, I'm gonna let somebody else pay the $100.00 and read it first. If there's something in it brand new, something that hasn't been said before, I'll find the money to get it. But I ain't dropping $100.00 to hear somebody argue basically the same things we've argued here over and over again.

$100? Whew!
Tom

That'd be quite a few visits to Starbucks forgone, eh?

Check this out:

http://www.textkit.com/support-textkit/support-item_id-0830818529-search_type-AsinSearch-locale-us.html

Read the second review down! LOL

inside you the time moves and she don't fade
the ghost in you she don't fade

Tiggers
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Total Posts : 219

Posted 4/12/2004 5:31 AM (GMT -6)

Hey Laika,

I've already read this one. Are you suggesting that it's the same material? I would think that because it comes from Routledge Press it will be far more philosophically oriented in contrast to The Openness of God by Pinnock et all. being more balanced between biblical, philosophical, historical, theological and practical, ya know?

Oh and TGB, I wouldn’t be too worried, in that, once the soft cover version comes out it will be far cheaper than this hardcover. The same happened with the Emergent Self .

Warmly in Christ,
Tiggers

Laika
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Posted 4/12/2004 6:03 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by Tiggers

Hey Laika,

I've already read this one. Are you suggesting that it's the same material?

No, someone writing a review of a book at amazon.com name-checks the madeup character I use on this site.

inside you the time moves and she don't fade
the ghost in you she don't fade

Tom
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Date Joined Jul 2001
Total Posts : 10353

Posted 4/12/2004 6:06 AM (GMT -6)

Interesting reveiws there, Laika! When I can't sleep at night I read such reviews. Clorophorm in print. Works great.

Tom

Laika
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Date Joined Mar 2003
Total Posts : 2433

Posted 4/12/2004 6:50 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by TGB

Interesting reveiws there, Laika! When I can't sleep at night I read such reviews. Clorophorm in print. Works great.

Tom

That's SIM's review over there at amazon.com Eyebrow

Look what she says:

quote:

The Bible says, "I declare the end from the beginning."
"I am telling you now before it happens so you will know that I AM."

Now "I declare the end from the beginning" IS in scripture but she attributes "I am telling you now before it happens so you will know that I AM." as scripture as well and IT IS NOT. Patent dishonesty.

Isaiah 48:3 "I declared the former things long ago
And they went forth from My mouth, and I proclaimed them.
Suddenly I acted, and they came to pass."

Notice how she left out the "Suddenly I acted, and they came to pass" out as well?

inside you the time moves and she don't fade
the ghost in you she don't fade

John Earp
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Date Joined Oct 2002
Total Posts : 1715

Posted 4/12/2004 8:17 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by Laika

quote:
Originally posted by TGB

On second thought, I'm gonna let somebody else pay the $100.00 and read it first. If there's something in it brand new, something that hasn't been said before, I'll find the money to get it. But I ain't dropping $100.00 to hear somebody argue basically the same things we've argued here over and over again.

$100? Whew!
Tom

That'd be quite a few visits to Starbucks forgone, eh?

Check this out:

http://www.textkit.com/support-textkit/support-item_id-0830818529-search_type-AsinSearch-locale-us.html

Read the second review down! LOL

For the same price of a mere 20 or 30 venti lattes, you, yes YOU, can own the latest scholarly tome by a leading light in the Open Theism debate. Eyebrow

"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.

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