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Corey
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| Posted 11/25/2010 11:28 AM (GMT -6) |   | | I found this interesting and am wondering what this discovery might teach about the nature of the future, and the implications for open theism.
"time is running both forward, from the electron leaving the wire, and backward, from its final location on the second screen. [...] The future is affecting the past, all the time, on the quantum level. "
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Tom
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One Love
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| Posted 11/28/2010 10:37 AM (GMT -6) | | | Let's talk more about this!
Back From the Future
by Zeeya Merali; photography by Adam Magyar
From the April 2010 issue of Discover Magazine; published online August 26, 2010
A series of quantum experiments shows that measurements performed in the future can influence the present. Does that mean the universe has a destiny—and the laws of physics pull us inexorably toward our prewritten fate?
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. Post Edited (One Love) : 11/28/2010 9:52:44 AM (GMT-6) | | Back to Top | | |
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 11/29/2010 1:46 PM (GMT -6) | | Great. Some geek egghead Hollywood producer, writer is gonna make a movie or television series about this. I can see it now.
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 11/29/2010 2:51 PM (GMT -6) | | Ha! Yeah right. Reminds me of this scene from "Lost" (this is priceless):
Whatever Happened, Happened
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa
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Corey
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| Posted 11/29/2010 2:54 PM (GMT -6) | | | I've kinda held at an intuitive level for some time that there must be a sort of smearing of the present "moment" in order to have continuity in the forward transition in a sequence of events. When I conceive of the present moment as zero-length amount of time, it's hard to get a feel for how that could actually affect next subsequent; it seems they must coexist long enough to transfer the stuff of this moment to the next one. Likewise, if you try to stack zillions of zero-length things, you still don't get a pile of them, ya know?
I've got something like Whitehead's actual occasion in mind. As I understand it, to him that was a sort of quantum of time, but not a zero-length point.
Now, maybe these quantum units of time link together to form a connected chain of sorts? Then it doesn't seem totally unexpected that each link is affected by the other two, in both directions, that it is connected to.
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 11/29/2010 3:38 PM (GMT -6) | | |
I just finished watching six years of "Lost" television in about a month and a half last week. Loved that scene. Reminded me somewhat of the "Battle of Wits" in the movie, "The Princess Bride." Have been chatting with people about the show and time in the sense of back-flashes, forward-flashes and side-ways flashes. Loved the writing too! Lots of great lines and the existential flare to it (especially Alpert's line about existing without purpose in the fifth or sixth season). Gonna buy the series for sure.
about your comments. I've also felt that intuition about time as well. And I think Tommy, that if the next moment is is by definition what the present moment transfered to it then the next moment would be the present. Oh my gosh! The all present "Now!" 
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa
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Ronald A. Newcomb
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| Posted 12/11/2011 6:45 PM (GMT -6) | | You might want to keep in mind when dealing with naturalistic sciences that when they cross over into philosophy of science, they believe that all dimensions, such as time, end at the edge of the physical universe and do not extend beyond that, ergo, all dimensions including time as contingent things ans subject to whatever theory they happen to hold, whatever model they are working on and so explain those specifically in light of those theories. Trying to work backwards from a current model, which will change sometime in the future, back to understanding actual reality, which necessarily includes God, and so forth, is nearly impossible, as you cannot derive truth from a false worldview. The idea that time can go backwards is a philosophic question rooted in naturalism, and yes, that naturalism effected Christianity from Plato (not naturalistic) to Aristotle, jump to Augustine, Calvin, Beza, and so forth.
Above note the comments that make time out to be something other then the continuous "now" experienced by everything because everything is in the time dimension.
Remember limiting the dimensions to the edge of the universe was completely an atheistic move as naturalism will not suffer God a place to be. If true, then indeed God cannot exist, and so we must reject that hypothesis. Rather, what is the alternative, i,e, the Christian view? Space and all dimensions existed prior to creation of anything, they are necessary things. God is in a place, now and then and in the future. Somewhere at some starting point in the time dimension, he created physicality, matter, light as we understand it, that is the type we can measure, as we called this "the first day" of Genesis 1:1. Whatever your understanding of the days are, five units later he ended that creation process. So we have "start" and "end" both markers along the dimension of time. It is spoken of as being linear, but linearity per se can only be true on the linear dimensions such as length, width, and height. It is, rather, temporal progressive and cannot be reversed or sped up.
This to say, OV or any other theology ought not worry about what naturalistic science thinks, however, does need to pay attention to what is proved.
I do agree on "Lost," lots of fun.
Professor Newcomb
San Diego State University
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