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1Heart
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Posted 4/29/2004 8:27 AM (GMT -6)

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Originally posted by sparknheart

Is he holding on to a little red plane by any chance?

Eyebrow

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Posted 4/29/2004 8:30 AM (GMT -6)

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Originally posted by TGB

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Originally posted by moon_river_j

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Originally posted by TGB

It's idolatry to have a picture of God in your head. I only think of the objective, facutal, historical God of the Scriptures. I experience that objectively and factually. No red planes. Just truth.

Thanks Tom for sharing what the Father means to you. Jo-Anne
Sorry, that was supposed to be a JOKE, but nobody got it. Oh well.

I got it too, but I didn't want to look like a smart-a

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Posted 4/29/2004 9:38 AM (GMT -6)

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Originally posted by moon_river_j

quote:
Originally posted by sparknheart

Is he holding on to a little red plane by any chance?

Jo-Anne

Maybe an Evil mouse on a leash.

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Posted 4/29/2004 10:12 AM (GMT -6)

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Originally posted by John Earp

I got it too, but I didn't want to look like a smart-a

Hmmmmm...what are you tryin to say John? Evil Tongue

love
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On second thought, I suppose a smart-a IS better than a dumb-a... Blush

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Posted 4/29/2004 10:18 AM (GMT -6)

LOL. My comments were not meant to reflect on anyone else's state of mind but my own. Big Smile

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Posted 4/29/2004 1:06 PM (GMT -6)

Jo-Anne, after the humor put on this thread I would like to add that one of the pictures of God that comes to mind is Jesus laughing. Humor MUST come from above because it makes me feel so strengthened.

BTH, Selah, what does your picture of God look like? Smile

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Posted 4/29/2004 1:24 PM (GMT -6)

As great as it is that we can discuss "our" pictures of God, we need to be VERY careful. Some of you have thrown it out as a joke; but fashioning God in our minds can even be dangerous! We cannot fashion God in our own images nor ideas, that's a very thin red line. To ask people what their view of God is, is almost equivelant to making God in our own image. We should all have the same image of God, and that image should be derived from the Word alone. Not on what attribute we think most praise-worthy, nor on the idea that we find more comfort in; God is God. I'm just warning us to be careful about the way that we approach this topic and NOT to take it lightly.
Borg

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Posted 4/29/2004 1:35 PM (GMT -6)

Thanks for sharing, Jo-Anne! Since you responded to everybody's posts, I shall respond to yours!

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Some day when we actually look upon His face, all this will pale in comparison and we will see Him as He actually is and we will know Him fully as we are fully known and we will be like Him.

Yes, it is true that whatever we think of God, he will surprise us! In a good way. In a very good way!

EPH 3:20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine...

2TH 1:10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed.

Blessings,
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1Heart
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Posted 4/29/2004 1:39 PM (GMT -6)

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Originally posted by borg

As great as it is that we can discuss "our" pictures of God, we need to be VERY careful. Some of you have thrown it out as a joke; but fashioning God in our minds can even be dangerous! We cannot fashion God in our own images nor ideas, that's a very thin red line. To ask people what their view of God is, is almost equivelant to making God in our own image. We should all have the same image of God, and that image should be derived from the Word alone. Not on what attribute we think most praise-worthy, nor on the idea that we find more comfort in; God is God. I'm just warning us to be careful about the way that we approach this topic and NOT to take it lightly.
Borg

Thanks Borg. I for one appreciate the warning. I also appreciate hearing how people see the Father - because how we see the Father affects our lives and how we treat others. Thanks for suggesting that we start this thread!

God Bless,
Jo-Annd

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Posted 4/29/2004 1:55 PM (GMT -6)

ALL images of God we have are contained within our vessels, therefore all images of God are fashioned, to certain extent, by us. I have no problem with that. I do not believe God would have me contain an image of him that wasn't my own. Scripture reveals, yet it does not dictate to us God. The Christian life is unique onto each person with the scriptures serving as our guide to keep us our path. But it is our path and each of us conceives a glorious picture of God all our own when we fall in love with him.
My picture of God was fashioned by God in me, with me in attendance, with my conceptions of him a part of the process. God is not found only in scripture, for the world and all of us were created by him as well. As such, scripture again, serves as the guide and final authority to guide our pictures. But it is not the only picture of God availiable to us.
Should we all have the same picture of God in our heads? Of course not! Each of us is an individual God loves as such; and as such how we view God will be as unique individuals

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Posted 4/29/2004 1:55 PM (GMT -6)

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Originally posted by borg

As great as it is that we can discuss "our" pictures of God, we need to be VERY careful. Some of you have thrown it out as a joke; but fashioning God in our minds can even be dangerous! We cannot fashion God in our own images nor ideas, that's a very thin red line. To ask people what their view of God is, is almost equivelant to making God in our own image. We should all have the same image of God, and that image should be derived from the Word alone. Not on what attribute we think most praise-worthy, nor on the idea that we find more comfort in; God is God. I'm just warning us to be careful about the way that we approach this topic and NOT to take it lightly.
Borg

I must've been born a heretic, because ever since I was a small child I have found myself imagining what the stories in the Bible would look like as I read them. This has always been the case without my even trying to consciously imagine the events depicted in Scripture.

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Posted 4/29/2004 2:01 PM (GMT -6)

"IMAGINING..." thems fightin' words...

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Posted 4/29/2004 2:34 PM (GMT -6)

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Originally posted by TGB

It's idolatry to have a picture of God in your head. I only think of the objective, facutal, historical God of the Scriptures. I experience that objectively and factually. No red planes. Just truth.

I don't think that it is idolatry or sin to have a concept of God in our heads that is factual based upon the authoritative source that He has chosen to reveal Himself, the scriptures. There are many names of God and they all contribute to our understanding and an image of Him. An idol is something that isn't God that we worship and consider as God. God's descriptions of Him are His own revealed attributes and these are legitimate expressions of Him.

What is damaging is to carry images of God that are our own imaginations and not the revealed one of the written Word. It is damaging to have a picture of Jesus saying and doing things that the true one opposes. Our imaginations are not a good reference point. They lead to the precepts of men being taught as God's revelations. A God who offers freedom in a false historical non-event is utterly opposite in one who promises freedom in believing in a factual historical event. I am cautious about putting too much stake in our own images of God because we are flawed and our hearts of deperately wicked, unknowable. Even men like Dr. Boyd can get led astray as we have seen. This should be a warning. This is why I believe that the closer we stay to the God as He has revealed Himself, the better it is.

Spen Lake

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Posted 4/29/2004 4:11 PM (GMT -6)

We are told not to fashion God in ANY image; and doing so in our head has been condemned by many conservative Christians throughout the years. Though I do not abhor the creating of God in my head as an image, it is important that we realize how insufficient and inadequate these pictures tend to be. They do not portray God as He is and should be in the fullest sense.
Feel-- how do you know that the picture of God that you have in your mind comes from God? interesting thought, and I'd like to know how you know that it isn't your own fashioning.
blessings
Borg

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Posted 4/29/2004 6:01 PM (GMT -6)

Borg and Spenlake,
I am a little lost but very interested..... Do you think that creating pictures of God through the arts is idolatry? For instance, did either of you see The Passion of the Christ? Do you think that the movie was dangerous since Mel Gibson exaggerated parts of the movie to make some points?

What in particular is it that you are cautious of in imagining God? I cannot imagine living my life without my imagination and my relationship with God would hold little meaning if I didn't have the imagination to help me enter into God's presence. In reading scripture I am not sure how I would enter into what I am reading without imagining scenes... When I pray, I imagine myself sitting on God's lap and telling him my concerns and the requests of others -- this helps me to let go and know that God is holding me and the issues in his Almighty hands. When praising and worshipping God I imagine myself a tiny being singing praises to the most high God. All these images are gifts that God has given to me to help me enter into and fully experience the relationship I have with him.

What are you "cautious" about? I am unclear as to what the "issue" is. I do not know where Dr. Boyd has been led astray, could you clue me in? I am wondering if you relate to life differently then some and filter what is right and wrong through your own lenses? I am not saying you do but I don't understand the caution. Please could you make me aware of your concerns for I too filter life through my own lenses.

Thank you. Smile

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Posted 4/29/2004 6:19 PM (GMT -6)

quest- the mel gibson stuff has been discussed at large, and it was a rather heated debate. i did see The Passion, and I do think that not only was the theology horrible but i also believe that creating Jesus in any image, including in the arts, is against the 2nd commandment. I believe that if we use things like The Passion or other art works that depcit God to aid us in any form of worship, we are submitting ourselves to an idol. The Bible itself is enough to lead us in all goods, including worship. We don't need the help of images in doing so, because we have the Word where God has revealed Himself as He is (Regulative Form of Worship).
Therefore when I say that we need to be cautious, we need to be on the alret that we are not mis-representing God. God was 100% man and 100% God and we can in no way depict this in any drawing, and I believe we are robbing Christ of His true glory; if we hold to unwavingly to this picture, as can be the case with images like The Passion, but not just the Passion. To focus more attention on God's love than His wrath, is to unbalance the true image of God. God is perfectly loving, and yet hates perfectly as well. God is merciful but He is also just. God is gracious, but He has just as much wrath. Are these the images that we are conjuring up in our heads? Or do we seem to make Jesus nothing but a lovable man that is beckoning everyone to come and sit up on His lap? This is what worries me when we ask what our view of the Father is. It MUST be 100% Biblically driven, not imagination driven, or we are robbing the God-head of His rightful glory.
Grace Alone,
Borg

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Posted 4/29/2004 7:07 PM (GMT -6)

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Originally posted by Lee Merrill

Thanks for sharing, Jo-Anne! Since you responded to everybody's posts, I shall respond to yours!

quote:
Some day when we actually look upon His face, all this will pale in comparison and we will see Him as He actually is and we will know Him fully as we are fully known and we will be like Him.

Yes, it is true that whatever we think of God, he will surprise us! In a good way. In a very good way!

EPH 3:20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine...

2TH 1:10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed.

Blessings,
Lee

Lee,
I love being surprised by the Father! Big Smile

Jo-Anne

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1Heart
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Posted 4/29/2004 7:11 PM (GMT -6)

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Originally posted by quest for truth

Jo-Anne, after the humor put on this thread I would like to add that one of the pictures of God that comes to mind is Jesus laughing. Humor MUST come from above because it makes me feel so strengthened.

BTH, Selah, what does your picture of God look like?

I love the thought of Jesus laughing too. He made our bodies to benefit from laughter. Big Smile

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1Heart
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Posted 4/29/2004 7:13 PM (GMT -6)

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Originally posted by feelinahole

ALL images of God we have are contained within our vessels, therefore all images of God are fashioned, to certain extent, by us. I have no problem with that. I do not believe God would have me contain an image of him that wasn't my own. Scripture reveals, yet it does not dictate to us God. The Christian life is unique onto each person with the scriptures serving as our guide to keep us our path. But it is our path and each of us conceives a glorious picture of God all our own when we fall in love with him.
My picture of God was fashioned by God in me, with me in attendance, with my conceptions of him a part of the process. God is not found only in scripture, for the world and all of us were created by him as well. As such, scripture again, serves as the guide and final authority to guide our pictures. But it is not the only picture of God availiable to us.
Should we all have the same picture of God in our heads? Of course not! Each of us is an individual God loves as such; and as such how we view God will be as unique individuals

Amen Harold!

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1Heart
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Posted 4/29/2004 7:15 PM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by John Earp

quote:
Originally posted by borg

As great as it is that we can discuss "our" pictures of God, we need to be VERY careful. Some of you have thrown it out as a joke; but fashioning God in our minds can even be dangerous! We cannot fashion God in our own images nor ideas, that's a very thin red line. To ask people what their view of God is, is almost equivelant to making God in our own image. We should all have the same image of God, and that image should be derived from the Word alone. Not on what attribute we think most praise-worthy, nor on the idea that we find more comfort in; God is God. I'm just warning us to be careful about the way that we approach this topic and NOT to take it lightly.
Borg

I must've been born a heretic, because ever since I was a small child I have found myself imagining what the stories in the Bible would look like as I read them. This has always been the case without my even trying to consciously imagine the events depicted in Scripture.

He created us with our wonderful imaginations because He wanted to speak to us that way! Abstract things aren't as real to us, concrete things are...hence the parables Jesus told to help us understand the Father and the Kingdom! If you're a heretic, I'm one too!

Jo-Anne

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1Heart
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Posted 4/29/2004 7:19 PM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by spenlake

quote:
Originally posted by TGB

It's idolatry to have a picture of God in your head. I only think of the objective, facutal, historical God of the Scriptures. I experience that objectively and factually. No red planes. Just truth.

I don't think that it is idolatry or sin to have a concept of God in our heads that is factual based upon the authoritative source that He has chosen to reveal Himself, the scriptures. There are many names of God and they all contribute to our understanding and an image of Him. An idol is something that isn't God that we worship and consider as God. God's descriptions of Him are His own revealed attributes and these are legitimate expressions of Him.

What is damaging is to carry images of God that are our own imaginations and not the revealed one of the written Word. It is damaging to have a picture of Jesus saying and doing things that the true one opposes. Our imaginations are not a good reference point. They lead to the precepts of men being taught as God's revelations. A God who offers freedom in a false historical non-event is utterly opposite in one who promises freedom in believing in a factual historical event. I am cautious about putting too much stake in our own images of God because we are flawed and our hearts of deperately wicked, unknowable. Even men like Dr. Boyd can get led astray as we have seen. This should be a warning. This is why I believe that the closer we stay to the God as He has revealed Himself, the better it is.

"Even men like Dr Boyd?"

I guess that's why it's good that each of us examine our own hearts before God and allow the Holy Spirit to "search us and see if there be any wicked ways in us and lead us in His everlasting way." I'm sure Dr Boyd would be first to agree.

God Bless,
Jo-Anne (Would you like to add your picture of God?)

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1Heart
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Posted 4/29/2004 7:22 PM (GMT -6)

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Originally posted by quest for truth

Borg and Spenlake,
I am a little lost but very interested..... Do you think that creating pictures of God through the arts is idolatry? For instance, did either of you see The Passion of the Christ? Do you think that the movie was dangerous since Mel Gibson exaggerated parts of the movie to make some points?

What in particular is it that you are cautious of in imagining God? I cannot imagine living my life without my imagination and my relationship with God would hold little meaning if I didn't have the imagination to help me enter into God's presence. In reading scripture I am not sure how I would enter into what I am reading without imagining scenes... When I pray, I imagine myself sitting on God's lap and telling him my concerns and the requests of others -- this helps me to let go and know that God is holding me and the issues in his Almighty hands. When praising and worshipping God I imagine myself a tiny being singing praises to the most high God. All these images are gifts that God has given to me to help me enter into and fully experience the relationship I have with him.

What are you "cautious" about? I am unclear as to what the "issue" is. I do not know where Dr. Boyd has been led astray, could you clue me in? I am wondering if you relate to life differently then some and filter what is right and wrong through your own lenses? I am not saying you do but I don't understand the caution. Please could you make me aware of your concerns for I too filter life through my own lenses.

Thank you.

That's wonderful Quest! The Spirit of God enables us to cry out Abba! (Daddy) Father! (I wonder how He thought we would picture Him as He said that? Something to think about).

God Bless,
Jo-Anne

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Posted 4/29/2004 7:59 PM (GMT -6)

Borg: as I said in my post, the scriptures guide us as to the truth, but I fully disagree with you that all of our views of God must be biblically based.
God gave us our imagination, just as he gave us a brain and if you can use your brain to seek out the Lord through what is around you, I can use my imagination to seek out God.
I find it truly amazing how pairoid Christians are about anything that isn't cut and dry, that isn't from the scriptures, as if we were parrot driven automatons. The Spirit is fresh, alive, and wants each of us as individuals to have our own wonderful picture of God, made through us in a unique way. When each of us praises God in heaven it will be with our own unique voices. That is what makes our praises so wonderful.
In all honesty, Borg, I spend absolutely zero time worrying about idols. I figure if God loves me enough to save me, he'll give me a smack on the head if I'm going astray. I can trust him enough for that.

1Heart
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Posted 4/29/2004 8:12 PM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by feelinahole

Borg: as I said in my post, the scriptures guide us as to the truth, but I fully disagree with you that all of our views of God must be biblically based.
God gave us our imagination, just as he gave us a brain and if you can use your brain to seek out the Lord through what is around you, I can use my imagination to seek out God.
I find it truly amazing how pairoid Christians are about anything that isn't cut and dry, that isn't from the scriptures, as if we were parrot driven automatons. The Spirit is fresh, alive, and wants each of us as individuals to have our own wonderful picture of God, made through us in a unique way. When each of us praises God in heaven it will be with our own unique voices. That is what makes our praises so wonderful.
In all honesty, Borg, I spend absolutely zero time worrying about idols. I figure if God loves me enough to save me, he'll give me a smack on the head if I'm going astray. I can trust him enough for that.

Harold, I agree with you about imagination and about trusting the Holy Spirit in guiding us. I posted this on the thread that Spen started to "Dr Boyd and His Followers" (speaking of visions/dreams which I believe may be Holy Spirit inspired imagination...actually I'm not sure what else they would be).

(me to Spen)
God inspired John on the Isle of Patmos with Holy Spirit inspired visions and they became part of the cannon. Some of them certainly sound like imagination - but I do not believe they were false at all, because I believe that scripture (including the men who dreamed dreams and had visions) is inspired by the Holy Spirit. In the same way, I believe that God gives people dreams and visions to be shared as prophecy (not prophetic, though I'm sure He does the same there).

I realize that you and I are coming from opposite ends of the spectrum, but that's alright. I realize that the picture of the Father that I have may be quite different from yours and that's alright too. I recognize that how we see the Father affects our own life and how we treat others. I also acknowledge that my worth comes from Him and not from what I think. I will not give up my picture of the Father that I see in Jesus because it rings true to me and I believe it is biblically true as well. You may believe the same thing. We may be at a stalemate. I'm not sure. I probably do not have the ability to discuss theology that you have and that's alright too. I have love - and I have a Father that loves and is able to do "exceedingly beyond all that I ask or imagine according to the power that works within me." (Eph 3:20). I believe that a vision of Jesus giving a red airplane to a toddler is congruent with the tender shepherd that I see in scripture. Jesus cares about our deepest hurts, fears, dreams, longings and He speaks to each of us in unique ways. He came to heal, not just physically but in every way and I agree with Dr Boyd. The Holy Spirit can take a mind that is submitted to Him and focused on Him and inspire it with a vision that can heal our lives, transform our lives and I see that as being just ONE of the ways that we are transformed by the renewing of our minds, from one glory to another...until one day we will be complete in Him and we will be just like Him. Until then we see in a glass darkly. None of us have the market cornered on what He looks like or how He speaks to us.

Sounds like you've never had an experience as Dr Boyd has and I have. Perhaps you did not need to. Perhaps He speaks differently to you. But please do not discount or judge as false what the Holy Spirit does in the life of another believer because you do not understand it, haven't experienced it... God is in the business of transforming lives. The vision that Dr Boyd had and the one that I had is no less real than the visions God gave to godly men and women throughout the Bible, not to mention godly men and women throughout generations who were inspired and whose lives and walk inspire those who follow. We have a great cloud of witnesses following after us. Our lives will show weather or not God is growing fruit. The greatest evidence for the non-believer is that we "love one another" and by this "shall all men know" that we are His disciples.

We have an amazing Father. He created us with amazing minds. He gave us imagination and senses and emotion and physical attributes and He speaks to us in more ways than we dare imagine. I believe that He will speak to a heart that is seeking Him, that He doesn't disappoint us (I'm not talking about a Christian asking Him to speak to them through a Ouija board). The one promise we have a garauntee of is the promise of His presence. James 4 says that if we draw near to Him that He will draw near to us.

"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."

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Posted 4/29/2004 10:39 PM (GMT -6)

Borg

quote:
Or do we seem to make Jesus nothing but a lovable man that is beckoning everyone to come and sit up on His lap?

"LOVE IS PATIENT AND KIND" I think God is beckoning EVERYONE to come and sit on His lap by calling ALL. God wants us to cast our cares on Him for He cares for us.

"LOVE IS NOT JEALOUS OR CONCEITED OR PROUD" God gives us the imagination as a means of allowing us to experience His presence in our lives. We can come to experience God on a very personal level and our imagination is one of the means God created in us for just this purpose.

"LOVE IS NOT ILL-MANNERED OR SELFISH OR IRRITABLE" God is personal with EACH of us and meets us where we are at. God does not demand that we ALL experience or enter into His presence in the same way. Jesus was very personal with each person he encountered in the gospels. Our selfless God gave up his ONLY son not to judge the world but to save the world.

"LOVE DOES NOT KEEP A RECORD OF WRONGS" On the cross Jesus said these precious words, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." The Passion of the Christ was a perfect way to speak to multitudes of people about what Jesus did for each person.

"LOVE IS NOT HAPPY WITH EVIL BUT IS HAPPY WITH TRUTH" God desires that none should perish. Jesus came to take on the sin of the WORLD. Jesus came that eyes would be opened. Some people are able to see the truth, and their eyes are opened, through applying the TRUTH in a personal way such as what Dr. Boyd's book suggests.

"LOVE NEVER GIVES UP; AND LOVES FAITH, HOPE, AND PATIENCE NEVER FAIL"
Jesus stands at our hearts door and knocks and knocks and knocks and knocks.... LOVE IS PATIENT AND KIND. Jesus said, "Come to me ALL you who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest." I for one experience this rest and comfort by sitting on my Daddy's lap and casting my cares into His Almighty hands.

SO, YES, WE MUST MAKE JESUS A LOVABLE MAN WHO IS BECKONING EVERYONE TO COME AND SIT ON HIS LAP (CAST THEIR CARES ON HIM) ANYTHING BUT THAT DEPICTION OF GOD IS A LIE FROM THE ENEMY. THE CROSS POINTS TO THIS FACT "FATHER, FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO."

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